tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post114426953971021039..comments2024-03-28T03:15:55.088-04:00Comments on Fetch me my axe: Postscript to all that:Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger14125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1144449636416016212006-04-07T18:40:00.000-04:002006-04-07T18:40:00.000-04:00Wow, Belledame.I followed a link from Amber Rhea a...Wow, Belledame.<BR/><BR/>I followed a link from Amber Rhea and was going to agree with your point that "Slam, bam, thank you mam" sex is far more about disquiet or resentment of sexuality than enjoyment of it. (Compare it to people leaning over the sink, wuffing food out of the box to get dining over with as quickly and tidily as possible and ask if that implies a healthy relationship to food.)<figleafhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01440982008394316977noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1144353341852068932006-04-06T15:55:00.000-04:002006-04-06T15:55:00.000-04:00B/L: yeah, it was the "nothing ever changes" busi...B/L: yeah, it was the "nothing ever changes" business that I was groping toward with the "radical" post below. This is somewhat separate from (and larger than) the problems I have with the notion of women as "the sex class," at least as filtered through (say) Twisty's view. <BR/><BR/>Interesting that you start to get into greater notions of "so what does it all Mean, dear?" (wrt evolution and belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1144349732780571002006-04-06T14:55:00.000-04:002006-04-06T14:55:00.000-04:00oh, jean: not Camille! Cartman having the b'day p...oh, jean: not Camille! Cartman having the b'day party. sorry!<BR/><BR/>I think Camille parodying is a little too subtle for Trey & Parker's sights, somehow, you know...<BR/><BR/>no orb: thanks for the rundown, will go a-spelunking for some of that later. I did have a couple of Shulamith Firestone quotes in mind as well, but lost track of them.<BR/><BR/>...started to write a reply, but it's belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1144348640135249932006-04-06T14:37:00.000-04:002006-04-06T14:37:00.000-04:00@ ELyou know, radfems -- at least in the books -- ...@ EL<BR/><BR/>you know, radfems -- at least in the books -- do think that it was started by men: out of their desire to control women's sex. sometimes, they'll talk about it as a fear of women's power, especially in goddess stuff.<BR/><BR/>sometimes, they'll talk about it as based in men's violence (Susan Brownmillier) against women.<BR/><BR/>Other times, they'll posit it as a desire by a man to Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1144343509364497782006-04-06T13:11:00.000-04:002006-04-06T13:11:00.000-04:00Alice Echols, a radical feminist herself, examines...Alice Echols, a radical feminist herself, examines thinkers from Firestone to Valerie Solanis to Dworkin, arguing that this is the defining feature of their thought. It's either biological or social, but either way, when the differences are social, they began as biological/genetic imperatives and the institutions which uphold them are so pervasive that they are resistant to change.<BR/><BR/>Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1144342887282119042006-04-06T13:01:00.000-04:002006-04-06T13:01:00.000-04:00Oh, why do I vaguely remember the platypus and Dam...Oh, why do I vaguely remember the platypus and Damien but not Camille? Argh...Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1144341730608811802006-04-06T12:42:00.000-04:002006-04-06T12:42:00.000-04:00Yeh, it was. I think it was the one where the Ant...Yeh, it was. I think it was the one where the AntiChrist Damien joins their class, and turns Kenny into a duck-billed platypus. <BR/><BR/>anyway I'm still enjoying that image.<BR/><BR/>"I Am The Cosmos! Screw you guys, I'M GOING HOME!"belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1144341244088630042006-04-06T12:34:00.000-04:002006-04-06T12:34:00.000-04:00Wait a minute...was that an actual episode? I hav...Wait a minute...was that an actual episode? I haven't watched SP since the second season. Damn! I miss all the good stuff.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1144340961551968722006-04-06T12:29:00.000-04:002006-04-06T12:29:00.000-04:00Camille as Cartman...you ought to send that Parker...Camille as Cartman...you ought to send that Parker and Stone.<BR/><BR/>Let the photoshopping begin!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1144333945475250352006-04-06T10:32:00.000-04:002006-04-06T10:32:00.000-04:00jean: it took me this long to pick up on Susan an...jean: it took me this long to pick up on Susan and Camille. snerk. <BR/><BR/> now I am picturing Camille Paglia as Cartman having a birthday bash, dictating to everyone exactly which present to get and throwing a tantrum when someone gives him something that isn't on his list...belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1144333064785571862006-04-06T10:17:00.000-04:002006-04-06T10:17:00.000-04:00Yah. I also don't know a redfem who says in so ma...Yah. I also don't know a redfem who says in so many words that the patriarchy was conceived out of a love of fucking, per se; but it is hard not to conclude, reading some people, that there is, after all, an essential difference between men and women; and that this difference has to do with...well, what? if not hormones and the icky drives? I mean: where does aggression come from, is my belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1144328128055561472006-04-06T08:55:00.000-04:002006-04-06T08:55:00.000-04:00@lc: I don't know if you're directing that towards...@lc: I don't know if you're directing that towards my comment or the post, but if it's at my comment, as I said, I don't think anybody actually says that. I've never seen that, and have certainly never talked to anybody that actually believed it. But sometimes, and I get this from what belledame is saying (and she can tell me I'm fos if I totally missed this) is that there is some H.M. Lufkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02367242966572740043noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1144311485159240682006-04-06T04:18:00.000-04:002006-04-06T04:18:00.000-04:00I don't know any rad fems saying that. Could you ...I don't know any rad fems saying that. Could you point out who said that and where please?lost clownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02751161198550585778noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1144273403662458282006-04-05T17:43:00.000-04:002006-04-05T17:43:00.000-04:00The real danger that I see is that nobody, of cour...The real danger that I see is that nobody, of course (well nobody I've ever talked to) actually believes the shadowy cabal theory of patriarchy, not when you put it as such, but do grossly and casually anthropomorphize it, so that the effect is the same. Overgrown little boys. Oh, that's too easy. I could write thousands upon thousands of words about that. And totally make an analogy about Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com