tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post114874181625044191..comments2024-03-19T05:17:54.150-04:00Comments on Fetch me my axe: I guess I did have to cough this up (sigh).Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger60125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1149291024469175492006-06-02T19:30:00.000-04:002006-06-02T19:30:00.000-04:00from dorothy Allison, "Skin:""Her voice on the pho...from dorothy Allison, "Skin:"<BR/><BR/>"Her voice on the phone was a surprise, not only because the call had come late in the evening, or even because she was so reluctant to identify herself. She had never been a friend, only na acquaintance...There was, also, the too-present memory of the last time I'd seen her, the way her eyes had registered, stared, and then avoided mine. I'd recognized inbelledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1149290455893807892006-06-02T19:20:00.000-04:002006-06-02T19:20:00.000-04:00And the thing about kink and all such matters is, ...And the thing about kink and all such matters is, it's such a grey area. No, you don't have to actively criminalize any particular activity; but there are (already, still) a number of laws on the books in a number of states that are sporadically enforced, much as the sodomy laws were till *very* recently. Sure, you can *probably* live most of your life happily oblivious, same as you can if you belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1149162851021095192006-06-01T07:54:00.000-04:002006-06-01T07:54:00.000-04:00I don't have time to read through the 61 (!) comme...I don't have time to read through the 61 (!) comments, but I just wanted to post my support.<BR/><BR/>I don't know if it's the same thread, but I de-linked Twisty a few months ago for one of her anti-kink rants. I'm not really interested in endorsing the opinion of someone who's anti-kink and yet refuses to listen to the actual experiences of kinky people.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1149140159988265682006-06-01T01:35:00.000-04:002006-06-01T01:35:00.000-04:00Oh, I understand Twisty isn't proposing policy; I ...Oh, I understand Twisty isn't proposing policy; I just--really don't agree with her about a number of basic assumptions, I think. <BR/><BR/>and I wouldn't have especially put her in the same camp as BB for a lot of reasons, and still don't, but--well, I've said my piece about that whole business. <BR/><BR/>look; obviously I wouldn't be talking about twisty as much as I do if I hadn't been belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1149138912767537302006-06-01T01:15:00.000-04:002006-06-01T01:15:00.000-04:00Re Twisty, I don't see her blog the same way you d...Re Twisty, I don't see her blog the same way you do. First of all Twisty certainly espouses a Dworkinesque analysis of patriarchy and pornography, but she's also a thoroughgoing libertarian. I remember her saying at one point that she would be happy for all laws to be abolished if people would just leave each other the fuck alone. She thinks prostitution should be legal and opposes all Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1149120279878940152006-05-31T20:04:00.000-04:002006-05-31T20:04:00.000-04:00Oh, I'm not saying Churchill's done anything good ...Oh, I'm not saying Churchill's done anything good for NAs. I honestly don't know much about him except for one interview with Chris Clarke and his Little Eichmanns comment. But he's right that other people don't do anything for NAs, either.Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1149117287961701522006-05-31T19:14:00.000-04:002006-05-31T19:14:00.000-04:00Ward Churchill...mm. I think there must be other ...Ward Churchill...mm. I think there must be other voices representing NA concerns; he struck me as your garden variety narcissistic asshole even before the current plagiarism charges. anyway I really don't get the impression that he's truly out for anyone but himself.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1149114984126497072006-05-31T18:36:00.000-04:002006-05-31T18:36:00.000-04:00Well, that makes sense. Progressive movements ofte...Well, that makes sense. Progressive movements often tend to be very insensitive to the plight of disadvantaged people that don't have proper political representation. For example, Ward Churchill may be a moonbat, but he's right that almost all Americans, even most American progressives, ignore native Americans. It's always a good idea to make sure that people who're supposed to be on your side Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1149112327928377472006-05-31T17:52:00.000-04:002006-05-31T17:52:00.000-04:00>but, let's face it, it's a pretty fringe thing th...>but, let's face it, it's a pretty fringe thing that probably disturbs most libfems in the same manner it disturbs conservatives ("Ew!").<BR/><BR/>Right; which is exactly why I make a bigger deal out of it when people who're supposedly on my side start misrepresenting than I would about oh let's say people dissing on Cosmopolitan magazine.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1149111777572691512006-05-31T17:42:00.000-04:002006-05-31T17:42:00.000-04:00Well, I know that Bitch Ph.D. posted a pretty stro...Well, I know that Bitch Ph.D. posted a pretty strong pro-prostitution post a year ago, when the issue was hot on the libfem blogosphere. And Amanda has said at least once that she thinks patriarchy-blaming isn't real feminism. None of the mainstream feminists has posted anything I've seen about BDSM, but, let's face it, it's a pretty fringe thing that probably disturbs most libfems in the same Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1149109139355750832006-05-31T16:58:00.000-04:002006-05-31T16:58:00.000-04:00I should say: while I do think that Bitch PhD. (am...I should say: while I do think that Bitch PhD. (among others) doesn't give BB and her cronies much play if any, I do believe she's quite respectful of Twisty. Which, I mean, I understand; she's an excellent writer, Twisty is. Just to say: her influence isn't negligible, I don't think, at least online. <BR/><BR/>I mean, I don't think most people who agree with her on so many other issues would belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1149108860995755812006-05-31T16:54:00.000-04:002006-05-31T16:54:00.000-04:00probably. I've only dropped in there once or twic...probably. I've only dropped in there once or twice, and yes, it has a pretty old-school (or new-old-school) vibe to it.<BR/><BR/>and yes, before I had really gotten into Blog O'Sphere, I really wasn't aware that there were more than a handful of Dworkinites under 60 around either; I certainly wouldn't have expected so many to be straight. life's rich tapestry, I suppose.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1149107152613355392006-05-31T16:25:00.000-04:002006-05-31T16:25:00.000-04:00I guess it's just luck, then. I started out on Pha...I guess it's just luck, then. I started out on Pharyngula and then branched out to Majikthise, so my first encounter with blogospheric radical feminism was seeing Lindsay say that the feminist concept of objectification is bunk and trash Andrea Dworkin. Then I stumbled upon a few of Avedon Carol's essays explaining why no, feminism isn't about puritanism. It wasn't until January or February this Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1149103858706951002006-05-31T15:30:00.000-04:002006-05-31T15:30:00.000-04:00There's Feministe, Feministing, and feminista! .....There's Feministe, Feministing, and feminista! ...for a while there I just wasn't reading any of them, as it got too confusing. I do read Feministe these days. I like the hosting, but it definitely has not been devoid of this sort of thrash.<BR/><BR/>it's true it would be easy enough to avoid BB and her ilk if one wanted to. I probably wouldn't have noticed at all if I hadn't been so belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1149103592614824762006-05-31T15:26:00.000-04:002006-05-31T15:26:00.000-04:00Part of this is that I had found Twisty's blog bef...Part of this is that I had found Twisty's blog before any of the others, and was a regular reader/poster for a few months, as I loved her style and humor and agreed with a lot of what she was saying. I remember feeling somewhat put off or just plain perplexed (increasingly so as time went on) by a number of the sex-related posts, not just the kink shit (that came later); most notably something belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1149102795630856952006-05-31T15:13:00.000-04:002006-05-31T15:13:00.000-04:00About the large radfem anti-sexuality blogs, maybe...About the large radfem anti-sexuality blogs, maybe I'm just lucky but I've managed to avoid them almost completely. I know I'm embroiled in arguments about them on Reclusive Leftist, but apart from that, there's nothing. The mainstream feminist blog I read, Majikthise, ignores the radicals; Lindsay sometimes links to Twisty, but always about issues like war or abortion, on which the radfems and Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1149102429659450572006-05-31T15:07:00.000-04:002006-05-31T15:07:00.000-04:00Tangentially: I'm curious about the whole hairless...<I>Tangentially: I'm curious about the whole hairless-and-silicone thing. especially since that's also become more or less de rigeur for men, the hairless part at least.</I><BR/><BR/>I should add that there's also the penis size standard. I don't know how big porn actors' penises are on average, but I'm certain they're usually much longer than the general population's average.<BR/><BR/>In Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1149096648760450192006-05-31T13:30:00.000-04:002006-05-31T13:30:00.000-04:00you see?Yeah, I've stopped visiting a number of sp...you see?<BR/><BR/>Yeah, I've stopped visiting a number of specific blogs. thing is, then the Endless Debate pops up again on one of the larger not-especially-radical Feminist Blogs; or a friend who *is* reading one of those blogs posts a long fisking of some particularly fuckwitted post and of course I have to go see what it's all about, and...we're off.<BR/><BR/>but, yeah. There is clearly belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1149088091817685672006-05-31T11:08:00.000-04:002006-05-31T11:08:00.000-04:00Tangentially: I'm curious about the whole hairless...Tangentially: I'm curious about the whole hairless-and-silicone thing. especially since that's also become more or less de rigeur for men, the hairless part at least. I am thinking: besides the usual annoyingly impossible "beauty" standards for women to compare themselves to, what do these particular fashions say about us now? Because I keep thinking that it's sort of of a piece with the whole belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1149060011259536782006-05-31T03:20:00.000-04:002006-05-31T03:20:00.000-04:00A shiksa who's an honorary member of the IJC - don...A shiksa who's an honorary member of the IJC - don't forget.Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1149043681445057212006-05-30T22:48:00.000-04:002006-05-30T22:48:00.000-04:00A mensch! Wow, thank you. Usually I'm just a shi...A mensch! Wow, thank you. Usually I'm just a shiksa.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1149040191728247802006-05-30T21:49:00.000-04:002006-05-30T21:49:00.000-04:00a "fraud," "not a feminist," and "only interested ...a "fraud," "not a feminist," and "only interested in making men happy," that is, which I thought was just precious.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1149039657386919862006-05-30T21:40:00.000-04:002006-05-30T21:40:00.000-04:00Thank you for that, VS. You are a mensch, you kno...Thank you for that, VS. You are a mensch, you know, and I am truly sorry that my explosions have spattered on you. I really do value talking to you; it's rare to find people who actually listen and talk *to* instead of *at.*<BR/><BR/>Yeah, I probably would be taking w-w a bit more seriously had it not been for the context of our previous uh encounters. As it is: well, Catherine MacKinnon belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1149035413808587592006-05-30T20:30:00.000-04:002006-05-30T20:30:00.000-04:00Hey, belledame, I'm just now catching up on my blo...Hey, belledame, I'm just now catching up on my blog visits and seeing this post. <BR/><BR/>First of all, I'm sorry I set you off last time I was here. I've tried to explain on my own blog that I'm a bit of a psychopath when it comes to being guilted about what I should or shouldn't do to be a good feminist -- which is to say, I'm impervious to it. Weren't we talking last time about some girl (Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1148921723502098542006-05-29T12:55:00.000-04:002006-05-29T12:55:00.000-04:00Awesome.Awesome.H.M. Lufkinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02367242966572740043noreply@blogger.com