tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post115708931270145532..comments2024-03-28T03:15:55.088-04:00Comments on Fetch me my axe: This is what intellectual honesty looks like.Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger40125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-34919770030738007422007-03-26T02:19:00.000-04:002007-03-26T02:19:00.000-04:00all the pretty little boxes. you're either fer us ...<I>all the pretty little boxes. you're either fer us or agin' us. lines in the sand.</I><BR/><BR/>Right--I'm talking about that here: <A HREF="http://unsanesafe.blogspot.com/2007/03/dogma-currently-being-given-bandwidth.html" REL="nofollow">http://unsanesafe.blogspot.com/2007/03/dogma-currently-being-given-bandwidth.html</A>Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15364161667997825733noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1157391756651364962006-09-04T13:42:00.000-04:002006-09-04T13:42:00.000-04:00:::Blaming the patriarchy isn’t so much blaming a ...:::Blaming the patriarchy isn’t so much blaming a generalization as it’s blaming an abstract object that’s instantiated in particular individuals & relations. The generalization is to say it's instantiated in all members of a class (men). There are 2 distinct operations here, both +/- dubious.:: (KH)<BR/><BR/>Exactly. Sorry I missed this earlier.<BR/><BR/>This is exactly the problem. it's kind ofAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1157381167515295932006-09-04T10:46:00.000-04:002006-09-04T10:46:00.000-04:00BD: "And treasure the people who -do- get your dea...BD: "And treasure the people who -do- get your deal; because that is community-building; and that is -maybe- one way of how change might happen, after all. "<BR/><BR/><BR/>Yepper. Maybe I'm old and have been to these rodeos many times before but I wrote something to jt at amber's place along those lines.<BR/><BR/>I finally figured it out one day, about 10 years ago, when I realized that my Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1157354697060444902006-09-04T03:24:00.000-04:002006-09-04T03:24:00.000-04:00oh, and if you do go back in there? just tell me ...oh, and if you do go back in there? just tell me if I really am remembering this or if it's a hallucination: Amanda (? someone?) claiming that the reason that "she and Twisty" ("they're cousins...identical coussssinnns"?!), their concerns, how'd it go now? weren't being given their Serious Feminist Thinkers' Due because they are "not acting ladylike"?<BR/><BR/>DID that really happen? was it belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1157354058005783902006-09-04T03:14:00.000-04:002006-09-04T03:14:00.000-04:00and, you know the truth? --well, okay, one truth ...and, you know the truth? --well, okay, one truth is that I'm taking y'all's word for it wrt what happened after I did SCREW YOU GUYS I'M GOING HOME (thunderous doorslam), 'cause, you know...can't;<BR/><BR/>but seriously seriously. I mean there were at least places in there where it SEEMED like she was, you know, acting sort of sane and reasonable, more or less, Amanda that is, albeit, you know,belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1157353628191482702006-09-04T03:07:00.000-04:002006-09-04T03:07:00.000-04:00>But it doesn't matter. Amanda believes in what sh...>But it doesn't matter. Amanda believes in what she is doing no matter what.><BR/><BR/>Well, yeah, and exactly, bottom line, and by the way, okay, not to dissect personalities I know okay, but um. I don't know her at all really but goddam, you know, if you've not only radically changed your positions (fine) but your general interaction style with the world (has she? or has it always been like belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1157264306126818722006-09-03T02:18:00.000-04:002006-09-03T02:18:00.000-04:00and I just went back and read your post about ten ...and I just went back and read your post about ten posts ago and uh, duh: I think maybe I just took about six reams to say pretty much the same thing you did?<BR/><BR/>and I honestly could not think what you meant by "slippage," even though I know that oh yeah that's -my- "borrowed" term.<BR/><BR/>did i mention that i am in a somewhat altered state?<BR/><BR/>fuckin' hormones, man: better than belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1157263516539543592006-09-03T02:05:00.000-04:002006-09-03T02:05:00.000-04:00...sort of the leitmotif of my life, I think perso......sort of the leitmotif of my life, I think personal and political, is this:<BR/><BR/>"One definition of insanity is doing the same thing over and over and expecting different results. And, difficult as it seems sometimes, I REALLY want to be sane. Because crazy people are making me, well, crazy, and I -really- don't like it. So, if something seems like it's not working, well...maybe time to belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1157262419284443782006-09-03T01:46:00.000-04:002006-09-03T01:46:00.000-04:00Bottom line, maybe, I think: I think maybe we're ...Bottom line, maybe, I think: I think maybe we're both really frustrated because we each think we've been offering our respective tools/gifts as best we can--you with your understanding of theory, me with my therapy background and a few other things--and it's just been like, "blah blah blah GINGER blah blah blah--hey! over there!! heretic!! selfish anti-feminist traitor! go AWAY already, belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1157261830567886982006-09-03T01:37:00.000-04:002006-09-03T01:37:00.000-04:00one final final clarification:The thing about the ...one final final clarification:<BR/><BR/>The thing about the Derrida business, is: I think, had I just read that post at random bird's first? and then, say, instead of the way it got picked up, her post, what became of it, you had started talking about it, simply talking about it the way you've been talking at your site now, the part about Derrida? I probably would have been a lot more likely tobelledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1157260278795385212006-09-03T01:11:00.000-04:002006-09-03T01:11:00.000-04:00"feminist activist/social issues," I meant to say...."feminist activist/social issues," I meant to say.<BR/><BR/>yeah, personal is political; but there's still a difference between planning the pro-choice rally and sitting over tea and talking about one's rape experience.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1157260183123599622006-09-03T01:09:00.000-04:002006-09-03T01:09:00.000-04:00--oh! it just hit me; some distinction.I think so...--oh! it just hit me; some distinction.<BR/><BR/>I think some people, especially some of the smaller radical feminist bloggers, are -not- in fact trying to hold debate or even necessarily consciousness-raise at any given point (wait, did I already say this?) Maybe that's not what Amanda was trying to initiate, no. <BR/><BR/>but I could certainly see why for some people they might interpret it belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1157259431007070052006-09-03T00:57:00.000-04:002006-09-03T00:57:00.000-04:00The other part of all this is, of course, is I hav...The other part of all this is, of course, is I have the suspicion that actually you are a far more generous and tolerant person than I am.<BR/><BR/>Which, if so, makes it even more sucky than it already is that you've been so seemingly willfully misunderstood (I mean, how dare Amanda suggest you were a troll? How dare...well, yeah, that Incident recently.). Goddam. So frigging unfair. They belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1157259043673559492006-09-03T00:50:00.000-04:002006-09-03T00:50:00.000-04:00>This is what Amanda et al are doing. They are rai...>This is what Amanda et al are doing. They are raising this kind of introspection to the level of PRIME political action, a principle. What makes one feminist, they say, is this kind of criticism.<BR/><BR/>Well, okay, they are entitled to call it whatever they want. That's fine. And yes, I get that it's part of a tradition. And I am also entitled to say that IN my observation, while it may or belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1157258110765723302006-09-03T00:35:00.000-04:002006-09-03T00:35:00.000-04:00I hear you--just, wait, -I- didn't call you "manic...I hear you--just, wait, -I- didn't call you "manic," did I? and I don't remember the "slippages," I guess.<BR/><BR/>Anyway, what occured to me, now, is this:<BR/><BR/>Part of the confusion? or maybe you still disagree, but, anyway-- perhaps, is that there are two (at least) different ways of using "psych-y" speak (to use the technical term. One is, as KH put it, the kind of parlor-trick that belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1157239280960830302006-09-02T19:21:00.000-04:002006-09-02T19:21:00.000-04:00anyway, I think I said this more elaborately in th...anyway, I think I said this more elaborately in the above post, but what I've been trying to get at as what I see is the problem, capsule version, is this:<BR/><BR/>It's not that I necessarily think people need to be baring their souls all the time. It's that, in a lot of these intrablog discussions--not at yours, not in a lot of places, and that's totally fine--it's -already happening.- Peoplebelledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1157238127885937192006-09-02T19:02:00.000-04:002006-09-02T19:02:00.000-04:00No, it's fair, I'll let it stand. And I hear what...No, it's fair, I'll let it stand. And I hear what you're saying.<BR/><BR/>I get what you're saying about one of the ways I interact. Yeah, armchair psychoanalysis is really intrusive, and I like to indulge. And it's something I'm going to have to be more mindful of if I want to participate in this kind of let's say critique seriously. <BR/><BR/>And if you'll look at the top post, now, you'll belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1157222462068602772006-09-02T14:41:00.000-04:002006-09-02T14:41:00.000-04:00and also, what comes out of this is an intense hos...and also, what comes out of this is an intense hostility for the way _I_ connect the personal and political. it's as if i'm not good enough unless i'm bearing my soul, pouring out to you whatever relationship with my mother or father or sisters. it's as if i'm not authentic enough unless i put it in someone else's language. as if i'm covering up who i am, hiding from you my truth, by engaging in Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1157222253670359832006-09-02T14:37:00.000-04:002006-09-02T14:37:00.000-04:00well, to be quite honest, BD, when you come after ...well, to be quite honest, BD, when you come after me with the analysis, I don't care for it because it really does feel like a violation. like you're deciding that you know me better than I do and that you're looking for some sickness or illness or personal scar that helps explain what you find confusing or unusual behavior or just behavior or ideas that you would do or buy.<BR/><BR/>i find that Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1157163944998410462006-09-01T22:25:00.000-04:002006-09-01T22:25:00.000-04:00that, and blessed are the cheesemakers. oh, wait,...that, and blessed are the cheesemakers. oh, wait, wrong Man.<BR/><BR/>but yeah. well, well. I suppose in this instance at least most people in the arena have the excuse that the Man, or the Son of Man, is no interest of theirs, thanks. that particular critique is better suited to the self-monikered Christians who pull this kind of mean-spirited, sanctimonious bullshit.<BR/><BR/>still, you belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1157162340922221652006-09-01T21:59:00.000-04:002006-09-01T21:59:00.000-04:00and -of course- we're all united against the Roman...<I>and -of course- we're all united against the Romans, if we ever actually get our shit together. Bad Romans! No biscuit! And we always know exactly who the Romans are at all times.</I><BR/><BR/>And even then, if you listen to The Man himself: there was a whole <I>story</I> about, you know, that centurion with the sick servant and so much faith that he said: "No, listen, I won't ask you to soil Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01476739382162784615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1157149496752152712006-09-01T18:24:00.000-04:002006-09-01T18:24:00.000-04:00...heh. "frootbat" is also a term from the BBS/VC......heh. "frootbat" is also a term from the BBS/VC in question. silly spelling to distinguish it from the actual noble creature, I do b'leeve.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1157149121140073892006-09-01T18:18:00.000-04:002006-09-01T18:18:00.000-04:00yeah, I hear you, BL. thing is, as a technical me...yeah, I hear you, BL. thing is, as a technical member of the mental-illness-challenged (hey, mood disorders count), I think there is a way to talk of this shit more knowledgably than just "oh, person with diagnostic label, stigmatize."<BR/><BR/>you know.<BR/><BR/>i do think it's important to find -some- way of looking at behavior and beginning to at least have an eye for certain flags, for one'sbelledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1157148931303770592006-09-01T18:15:00.000-04:002006-09-01T18:15:00.000-04:00>I think certain people had soiled themselves long...>I think certain people had soiled themselves long before terrorists got to ‘em.<BR/><BR/>heh. well, yeah. I did notice that 9/11 seemed to be the proverbial straw for some people; the only question was just how fragile they'd really been to begin with. it is interesting. I observe that a lot of good-natured and well-meant people, people who may well have been friends of such a person, will belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1157148375309134582006-09-01T18:06:00.000-04:002006-09-01T18:06:00.000-04:00OK, I know, like any other party trick, it begins ...OK, I know, like any other party trick, it begins to wear thin. And like you say, it’s not as if you didn’t already know something was awry, or want to give ‘em some new honorific to brag about, is it? And I pay somebody else good money to know that stuff (w/ no evident benefit). Also, the fruitbat is a noble creature & I abhor your spelling.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com