tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post116121069126287446..comments2024-03-28T03:15:55.088-04:00Comments on Fetch me my axe: "Deadly Innocence," continuedUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger17125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-40226482469912113242009-12-17T05:14:55.712-05:002009-12-17T05:14:55.712-05:00hardware Take a piece of mehardware Take a piece of meAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1161302963507739722006-10-19T20:09:00.000-04:002006-10-19T20:09:00.000-04:00no, but, well, and i don't know if West goes into ...no, but, well, and i don't know if West goes into this in great detail, but they occup(ied) a position that, while often putting them far closer to the "body" side of the divide, still aren't quite in the same class as the black women either. which is sort of the whole point: maintaining that careful boundary. <BR/><BR/>"I may have nothing, but at least I'm not ____!"<BR/><BR/>The color line's belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1161301232709293782006-10-19T19:40:00.000-04:002006-10-19T19:40:00.000-04:00The trouble I have with that passage is that it de...The trouble I have with that passage is that it describes white women as an homogenous bloc, obscuring the sharp class divide. Most Southern white women were not of the slaveowning class.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1161296082799436012006-10-19T18:14:00.000-04:002006-10-19T18:14:00.000-04:00So, thanks, B|L, I am not the great writer I think...So, thanks, B|L, I am not the great writer I think I am. <BR/>I was not going on about personal guilt, but I do take what resonates and Daly did as in past tense. When I went to university, it was before women's studies, gender studies, ethnic studies, etc. etc. It was before all the deconstruction, reconstruction, post colonialism etc, etc. I fought with all my male professors about their Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1161284442702402512006-10-19T15:00:00.000-04:002006-10-19T15:00:00.000-04:00but I agree that West is not trashing Daly. she's...but I agree that West is not trashing Daly. she's writing as someone for whom Daly meant quite a lot, I'd say, and is now reassessing more critically some of the basic tenets that she'd based her earlier thinking and activism on (along with others).belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1161284374672640312006-10-19T14:59:00.000-04:002006-10-19T14:59:00.000-04:00well, like I said: I totally get why Daly, Dworki...well, like I said: I totally get why Daly, Dworkin (in particular, I suppose; some of the others I'm less fond of as writers as well as theoreticians) are still popular: what they say really resonates for a number of people, and they say it in a very striking way. <BR/><BR/>i will probably never feel anything but loathing for Jeffreys, but o well. supposedly she's quite funny(in person? in belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1161279768174040212006-10-19T13:42:00.000-04:002006-10-19T13:42:00.000-04:00just to help rhondda out, she's posted at Bitchlab...just to help rhondda out, she's posted at Bitchlab, making very clear that she's opposed to what's happening out there with MWF, etc.<BR/><BR/>I didn't read her as addressing guilt but the same thing I've talked about before -- and Janet Halley personally mentions. There are some writers, Daly was among them, who helped me learned to love women in a way I hadn't learned to yet. So, yeah, I agree Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1161229592002625162006-10-18T23:46:00.000-04:002006-10-18T23:46:00.000-04:00>She could become the bearer of the stigma of the ...>She could become the bearer of the stigma of the physical, the carnal and the excess of women's lust that threatened the rationality of Christian civilization. <BR/><BR/>I think, possibly, that this is still happening, only in different ways. Might explain what seems like great reluctance to address or advocate for the reproductive justice issue, in all its forms. ><BR/><BR/>It could be. Or, belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1161229244760703892006-10-18T23:40:00.000-04:002006-10-18T23:40:00.000-04:00But then again: well, look at rhondda's response. ...But then again: well, look at rhondda's response. Obviously the Dworkin-Daly-Griffiths-etc. line still resonates for a lot of women...certain women. And other women pick up bits and pieces from it here and there. Which is i'd suggest kind of what's going on right now: the bikini waxing and blowjobs and so on and so forth is this all kind of confused vaguely radfem-influenced but watered-down belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1161228843439011022006-10-18T23:34:00.000-04:002006-10-18T23:34:00.000-04:00no, that is the topic, or one of them. "those who...no, that is the topic, or one of them. "those who do not learn from history," etc. etc. and yeah, republic was right in that there is a sense of reinventing the wheel over and over and over and frigging over and...<BR/><BR/>and the thing is, with all the "examination" that goes on, y'know, it's not -just- look at your own personal shit, your surroundings, the media, etc., although that's great belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1161226007241389542006-10-18T22:46:00.000-04:002006-10-18T22:46:00.000-04:00Yes indeed...Yes indeed...Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01476739382162784615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1161224224252223612006-10-18T22:17:00.000-04:002006-10-18T22:17:00.000-04:00>Alice, meanwhile, is the fully-White girl, blonde...>Alice, meanwhile, is the fully-White girl, blonde, innocent, prone to tears and falling all over (White) Duncan.><BR/><BR/>Well, that's it, too, of course. The fragile "damsel in distress" is white. and it's a degraded position, sure, but at the same time: there are benefits to it. and it's maintained from below and horizontally as well as above.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1161223114917221592006-10-18T21:58:00.000-04:002006-10-18T21:58:00.000-04:00The Western novel, especially Last of the Mohicans...The Western novel, especially <I>Last of the Mohicans</I>, really highlights the black/white carnal/pure divide. Cora, the older sister, is something like one-quarter black (West Indes?), with dark hair and eyes. She's the "freer" of the two sisters, and the one that forms a bond with (Native) Uncas; prone to taking charge, unafraid - oo, dangerous dangerous. Alice, meanwhile, is the fully-White Alexhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01476739382162784615noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1161221613839958982006-10-18T21:33:00.000-04:002006-10-18T21:33:00.000-04:00rhondda: I'll respond at more length later, but j...rhondda: I'll respond at more length later, but just so we're clear: this is not me writing; this is extensive quotage from an author called Angela West.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1161216425789798642006-10-18T20:07:00.000-04:002006-10-18T20:07:00.000-04:00What I have to say is not a criticism of what you ...What I have to say is not a criticism of what you are saying. I am getting it. However, I just have to come to the defense of Mary Daly because her writing saved my life. I was born into a very christian family and my father was a minister. I figured out very early women were regarded as evil in that system and yet I was bound to it. My father was also a leftist, so I was in alot of confusion Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1161215885336664922006-10-18T19:58:00.000-04:002006-10-18T19:58:00.000-04:00You know, I never really thought, for some reason,...You know, I never really thought, for some reason, that white ladies whipped slaves themselves.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1161214703137252182006-10-18T19:38:00.000-04:002006-10-18T19:38:00.000-04:00Why is difference dangerous like a dropped stitch?...Why is difference dangerous like a dropped stitch? Truly, all of this fear of difference warrants very much investigation, philosophically and social. It does seem to be a peculiarly western cultural fear (as compared to various African cultural approaches, for example).Jenniferhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15364161667997825733noreply@blogger.com