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It might help you make a rational case for whatever you're talking about.<BR/><BR/>How much do you know about Greek pederasty, anyway? Or are you one of those sorts who think someone can't possibly have a point unless they are completely unaffected by the mores of the time? (Small hint: that's none of us.)<BR/><BR/>Oh, Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1168904822972930222007-01-15T18:47:00.000-05:002007-01-15T18:47:00.000-05:00This was such an excellent post and so many though...This was such an excellent post and so many thought provoking comments. I've read a fair bit about all of these points but have never really tried to marry them before.<BR/><BR/>My interest is more in the individual and our instinctual need to seek groupings. <BR/><BR/>Human beings seem to be hard-wired to seek out groupings whether hierarchal(good or bad) or not. A certain percentage of peopleRosiehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10264435407129343604noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1168904562691082882007-01-15T18:42:00.000-05:002007-01-15T18:42:00.000-05:00are you a graduate of academia alon? because i thi...<I>are you a graduate of academia alon? because i think our perspectives might naturally be different if you are, because its something ive been kept out of, having not been able to devote the time or the money that it demands. i think the amount of money and time required to be part of it is another indicator of its cultlike status.</I><BR/><BR/>A graduate student. When I say "academia," I don'tAlon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1168898698043826972007-01-15T17:04:00.000-05:002007-01-15T17:04:00.000-05:00Western culture is, in name at least, deeply commi...<I>Western culture is, in name at least, deeply committed to teaching people not to do this.</I><BR/><BR/>Alas, not since Sparta, if you'll refer to the history of first europe, which is basically puntuated by religious pogroms, invasions and the occasional mass genocide before they got to the americas, and started burning people, religions and cultures.<BR/><BR/>Remember that the true "traditionR. Mildredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00932355251730998294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1168894981316266072007-01-15T16:03:00.000-05:002007-01-15T16:03:00.000-05:00"Maybe most people are more logical and internally..."Maybe most people are more logical and internally consistent than me or something, because I have no problem loving things that have profound problems and aspects with which I disagree."<BR/><BR/>Kai, this really confuses me -- if you go back and look at my post, you'll see that I too mention not liking many facets of Western culture.<BR/><BR/>I honestly don't see Western culture as cultish Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1168887277513850852007-01-15T13:54:00.000-05:002007-01-15T13:54:00.000-05:00Well I just went and read the posts by Trin and Na...Well I just went and read the posts by <A HREF="http://trinityva.livejournal.com/560192.html" REL="nofollow">Trin</A> and <A HREF="http://aftersavingtheworld.wordpress.com/2007/01/14/the-cult-word/" REL="nofollow">Namaroopa</A> which spun out of this post. It's good thoughtful stuff. I'm glad the exchange generated this much consideration. Although, I'm not sure why I've been singled out as the Kaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18029372828318292725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1168886269036273492007-01-15T13:37:00.000-05:002007-01-15T13:37:00.000-05:00More than anything, I think this exchange demonstr...More than anything, I think this exchange demonstrates the confusion surrounding the very word "cult". I really don't care whether you call a group or society or culture "a cult" or not, I only care about my actual interaction with it (though I do think it's interesting that "cult" and "culture" appear to share the same root word). And my interaction with Western culture is largely shaped by Kaihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/18029372828318292725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1168881230116349512007-01-15T12:13:00.000-05:002007-01-15T12:13:00.000-05:00well, and obviously if it's a big enough organizat...well, and obviously if it's a big enough organization, one's subjective experience of it matters enormously as well in whether or not one might be inclined to see it as a "cult," as defined by the OP's links' criteria.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1168879877696691462007-01-15T11:51:00.000-05:002007-01-15T11:51:00.000-05:00Differences between the US military and cults:http...Differences between the US military and cults:<BR/><BR/>http://www.factnet.org/Margaret_Thaler_Singer/How_the_United_States_Marine_Corps_Differs_from_Cults.html<BR/><BR/>Of course, there is a continuum, but there are some important distinctions here that easily get lost when people say "everything we don't like is a cult!"<BR/><BR/>"Cultish" is an almost entirely meaningless adjective - the only Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1168875179765542512007-01-15T10:33:00.000-05:002007-01-15T10:33:00.000-05:00I mean, we're social animals, okay; no matter what...<I>I mean, we're social animals, okay; no matter what kind of structure we end up in--a small family, say--there are rules within that structure, even if often unspoken. ; this is how we maintain the structure, and also keep from, like, killing each other.</I><BR/><BR/>The more healthy families that utilise a larger extended family system that I've seen tend to organise less around an Us/Other R. Mildredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00932355251730998294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1168873630882086322007-01-15T10:07:00.000-05:002007-01-15T10:07:00.000-05:00Well--*all* structures have certain insider/outsid...Well--*all* structures have certain insider/outsider aspects, I think; and there are rewards if you behave according to the approved strictures and punishments if you don't. That's just variations on basic human socialization. The questions are:<BR/><BR/>1) what are the rules/social contract<BR/><BR/>2) how are they enforced<BR/><BR/>and, perhaps most important,<BR/><BR/>3) what are the belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1168870947488308152007-01-15T09:22:00.000-05:002007-01-15T09:22:00.000-05:00Ugh, that should be genus not phyllum.Ugh, that should be genus not phyllum.R. Mildredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00932355251730998294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1168870804879696892007-01-15T09:20:00.000-05:002007-01-15T09:20:00.000-05:002. There are usually only two classes, the leaders...<I>2. There are usually only two classes, the leaders and the commoners.</I><BR/><BR/>wrong actually, you have to take into account that while the small cults take such a structure, that's more to do with their small size ultimately limiting how many classes they ultimately can have - the number of classes has nothing to with the cultishness of the orgnisation, as such things have much more to doR. Mildredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00932355251730998294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1168869455937478382007-01-15T08:57:00.000-05:002007-01-15T08:57:00.000-05:00I don't think calling an entire culture a cult sho...<I>I don't think calling an entire culture a cult should be based on "how it smells." That's something that needs an argument, not a hunch.</I><BR/><BR/>We could start with the one hting that appears to missing from teh cult lite in the primary post: The obsession with advancement within the group's hierarchy twinned with advancement being defined by how well they support the hierarchy they are Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1168852220687705622007-01-15T04:10:00.000-05:002007-01-15T04:10:00.000-05:00Prof. Zero, usually those organizations are distin...Prof. Zero, usually those organizations are distinct from cults in the nature of their hierarchies. Proper hierarchism, à la the military or the Catholic Church or the post-Stalinist Soviet communist party, tends to be based on the following principles:<BR/>1. Decisions flow top down.<BR/>2. There are multiple levels of hierarchy, and decisions are communicated between a leader and a direct Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1168843823795865072007-01-15T01:50:00.000-05:002007-01-15T01:50:00.000-05:00I suggest there are cultish aspects to many instit...I suggest there are cultish aspects to many institutions which would not like to admit this: say, academia, mainstream psychotherapy, capitalism...Professor Zerohttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04909063513731044826noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1168840628024795932007-01-15T00:57:00.000-05:002007-01-15T00:57:00.000-05:00I don't think calling an entire culture a cult sho...I don't think calling an entire culture a cult should be based on "how it smells." That's something that needs an argument, not a hunch.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1168828594616541102007-01-14T21:36:00.000-05:002007-01-14T21:36:00.000-05:00hm, I can't seem to figure out how to trackback to...hm, I can't seem to figure out how to trackback to Blogger. Is there a way to do it?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1168817012213860732007-01-14T18:23:00.000-05:002007-01-14T18:23:00.000-05:00Rootietoot only made the opening comment because h...Rootietoot only made the opening comment because her guru told her too ;)<BR/><BR/>I don't know, cults are a funny business. The organisation I'm a member of (Socialist Party/Committee for a Workers' International) has been branded a cult by an academic called Denis Tourish. By pure coincidence he's also an embittered ex-member of my organisation, lol.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1168801804531134932007-01-14T14:10:00.000-05:002007-01-14T14:10:00.000-05:00And a fortuitious third comment for luck.Can you t...And a fortuitious third comment for luck.<BR/><BR/>Can you tell I'm reading Cherryh?R. Mildredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00932355251730998294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1168801760317311512007-01-14T14:09:00.000-05:002007-01-14T14:09:00.000-05:00so, yeah, while i think sweeping all of mainstream...<I>so, yeah, while i think sweeping all of mainstream or Western culture into the "cult" category is a bit broad, definitely there are pockets. sometimes rather enormous ones.</I><BR/><BR/>Actually I think considering bourgious culture to be cultish is totally valid, it definately smells right to me, and my nose is good at abstract concepts.R. Mildredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00932355251730998294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1168801651494924502007-01-14T14:07:00.000-05:002007-01-14T14:07:00.000-05:00I don't know that I see it that way. I think what ...<I>I don't know that I see it that way. I think what we're dancing around here is: there is no automatic, structural, ideological safeguard against the totalistic impulse.</I><BR/><BR/>Well it's like the tao - the more you define it the less defined it'll be because any definitive definition will be too specific to take into account <I>this one specific thing you didn't plan for</I> and then the R. Mildredhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00932355251730998294noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1168797480164630702007-01-14T12:58:00.000-05:002007-01-14T12:58:00.000-05:00do they make you feel terrible for even asking a q...<I>do they make you feel terrible for even asking a question, ever? do you start to second-guess yourself all the time? do you find everything else in your life is taking a backseat, not because you get so much joy out of the activity or work or group but because they keep you constantly busy, busy, busy, and more or less insist that they come first in your life?</I><BR/><BR/>...but, so, like, bybelledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.com