tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post1270329609340779605..comments2024-03-28T03:15:55.088-04:00Comments on Fetch me my axe: Quote of the day, 6/12/08Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger22125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-13278760920050854782008-06-15T08:13:00.000-04:002008-06-15T08:13:00.000-04:00and as much as I snark about the totalitarian impu...and as much as I snark about the totalitarian impulses of certain fringey feminists, really, you knew I was going to have the obligatory "feminists aren't -actually- dominating the planet at the moment," right?belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-75683422414312136142008-06-15T08:11:00.000-04:002008-06-15T08:11:00.000-04:00It's an insightful and frighteningly accurate depi...<I>It's an insightful and frighteningly accurate depiction of the world today.</I><BR/><BR/>Ehm...there's no way to put this in a nuanced fashion...dude, no, that: really don't think so; coz, otherwise, we wouldn't be talking like this here, see.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-18968929598100498932008-06-15T07:00:00.000-04:002008-06-15T07:00:00.000-04:00That was very true, he thought...For how could the...<I>That was very true, he thought...For how could the fear, the hatred, and the lunatic credulity which the Party needed in its members be kept at the right pitch, except by bottling down some powerful instinct and using it as a driving force?</I><BR/><BR/>I love Big Br... I mean, I love the book. It's an insightful and frighteningly accurate depiction of the world today. However I'd never Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-90279703859119914562008-06-14T12:19:00.000-04:002008-06-14T12:19:00.000-04:00actually kind of applies to a lot of people/situat...actually kind of applies to a lot of people/situations..belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-82566859693970380742008-06-14T10:44:00.000-04:002008-06-14T10:44:00.000-04:00Gee, I wonder who that's about?(((whistles innocen...Gee, I wonder who that's about?<BR/><BR/><I>(((whistles innocently, looks at the presidential ballot...)))</I>Daisy Deadheadhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17993200276152025235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-84687740969286241472008-06-13T17:49:00.000-04:002008-06-13T17:49:00.000-04:00Thank you very much fer say'n BNW was google-able;...Thank you very much fer say'n BNW was google-able; for some reason I didn't think it was or I would've hunted it down by now, <3 free literature. Kristen, 'Brave New World'.<BR/><BR/>http://www.hedweb.com/huxley/bnw/ArrogantWormhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03511511340098973295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-26883116151502240272008-06-13T17:20:00.000-04:002008-06-13T17:20:00.000-04:00Yeah, I guess I was trying to say: it can be and h...Yeah, I guess I was trying to say: it can be and has been oversimplified and often abused, that idea (to wit: my desire to get into your pants is now actually a POLITICAL STRIKE AGAINST TEH MAN, and you are not just a prude and a heartless beeyotch but a reactionary if you won't do it. there are legitimate reasons why a number of second wave feminists were leery of the whole "free love" businessbelledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-23926264231056899052008-06-13T12:09:00.000-04:002008-06-13T12:09:00.000-04:00Belle,I'm not so sure I think it's just a cliche. ...Belle,<BR/><BR/>I'm not so sure I think it's just a cliche. I mean...not that sex in and of it self can save the universe...but perhaps what sex represents can save the universe. Orwell may have stumbled onto something inadvertently (although I think he was probably playing into his own "male orgasm as center of creation" brain fart).<BR/><BR/>But consider what sex <I>can</I> represent<BR/><BR/Kristenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16950308971562405846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-74774400915938096242008-06-13T01:58:00.000-04:002008-06-13T01:58:00.000-04:00Brave New World is probably e-texted somewhere too...Brave New World is probably e-texted somewhere too; I seem to remember googling the whole thing once, just can't remember where.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-58763116318051694392008-06-12T23:37:00.000-04:002008-06-12T23:37:00.000-04:00Orgasms for peace?Sex toys for peace?Belle, you ma...<I>Orgasms for peace?<BR/><BR/>Sex toys for peace?<BR/><BR/>Belle, you may have just saved the world...Someone get Jimmy Carter on the phone.</I><BR/><BR/>Best comments. Ever.Adorable Girlfriendhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00980315608634758758noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-34574520372424589652008-06-12T23:21:00.000-04:002008-06-12T23:21:00.000-04:00Kristen, Belle's got a Charles' George Orwell Link...Kristen, Belle's got a Charles' George Orwell Link to his work at the bottom of her blog's page; free reading. Can't help with 'Brave New World' though, sorry.ArrogantWormhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03511511340098973295noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-40677730402106333762008-06-12T21:25:00.000-04:002008-06-12T21:25:00.000-04:00Clearly, I need to reread these books, as there's ...Clearly, I need to reread these books, as there's a lot more to them than I picked up on at fifteen--before I was even looking at things through a feminist lens in the first place. Thanks for sharing that quote--very apt in light of recent threads.Kristinhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13802639814234250619noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-58888401338783301862008-06-12T19:36:00.000-04:002008-06-12T19:36:00.000-04:00per BNW: I thought wossname, Bernard? the one wh...per BNW: I thought wossname, Bernard? the one who finds/brings back the Savage? was a Beta? perhaps I misremember. thing about Lena, it wasn't just that she wasn't an Alpha, she was so obviously -ditzy.- The men talk about Theory and Deep things, not just the Savage; Lena's just, ooh! I wanna get laid! ooh! soma! ooh! he's cute! does my ass look too pneumatic in these zippicamiknicks belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-12553723692180366502008-06-12T19:26:00.000-04:002008-06-12T19:26:00.000-04:00Kristen: well, y'know, "make love, not war" is a ...Kristen: well, y'know, "make love, not war" is a cliche, and one that was eventually dismissed as well simplistic (among other things) for a number of good reasons. yeah, fucking alone does not a Revolution make. And you note that, again, Winston, being an unreliable narrator, thinks his fucking Julia is a "political act;" but in reality it didn't mean much more than, well, any other reason thebelledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-4232065672870964872008-06-12T16:41:00.000-04:002008-06-12T16:41:00.000-04:00"If you're happy inside yourself, why should you g..."If you're happy inside yourself, why should you get excited about Big Brother and the Three-Year Plans and the Two Minutes Hate and all the rest of their bloody rot?"<BR/><BR/>So what we should really do is get all the people in the M.E. to get together for a nice consensual orgy?<BR/><BR/>Orgasms for peace?<BR/><BR/>Sex toys for peace?<BR/><BR/>Belle, you may have just saved the world...SomeoneKristenhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/16950308971562405846noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-86775940279324082762008-06-12T16:40:00.000-04:002008-06-12T16:40:00.000-04:00The on-screen labor division in Brave New World is...The on-screen labor division in Brave New World is traditional, there's no question. So you have female nurses, who are betas, and male intellectuals, who are alphas. But the book does hint at the existence of female alphas, on the island where the government bred alphas alone.Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-59618026469289895942008-06-12T16:06:00.000-04:002008-06-12T16:06:00.000-04:00I always got the strong impression that Huxley was...<I>I always got the strong impression that Huxley was suggesting that we're supposed to be sympathetic toward wossname's violent rejection of Lenina the socialized SOMA-taker.</I><BR/><BR/>Oh, we're definitely supposed to side with the Savage, because he has Deep Feelings while the Fordians can't understand <I>Romeo and Juliet</I>.<BR/><BR/><I>Also, Huxley portrays her as dumb as a box of rocks, jfpbookwormhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09845037337646489772noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-9184397319842789702008-06-12T13:51:00.000-04:002008-06-12T13:51:00.000-04:00still creepy, but at least we know Winston is not ...still creepy, but at least we know Winston is not a reliable narrator, and that, well, he's being fucked with.<BR/><BR/>whereas "the Savage's" response to wossname in Brave New World, I always got the strong impression that Huxley was suggesting that we're supposed to be sympathetic toward wossname's violent rejection of Lenina the socialized SOMA-taker (i.e. he's in love with her but has all belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-29139608722773246802008-06-12T11:50:00.000-04:002008-06-12T11:50:00.000-04:00y'know i never quite figured WHY winston wanted to...y'know i never quite figured WHY winston wanted to *rape* julia during the 2 min. hate.<BR/><BR/>now, seeing that quote... yeah, I get it. yeah.Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1410688676610750462008-06-12T11:25:00.000-04:002008-06-12T11:25:00.000-04:00anyway, it's not just that they feel happy; it's t...anyway, it's not just that they feel happy; it's that everything's carefully regulated and then there are all these -other- taboos. The point isn't so much -which- powerful drive is being bottled up in order to be diverted for someone else's/authoritarian purposes, it's that it's happening at all.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-43694497745355812132008-06-12T11:24:00.000-04:002008-06-12T11:24:00.000-04:00Yeah, I never liked Huxley much. And while both O...Yeah, I never liked Huxley much. And while both Orwell and Huxley can be accused of sexism, Huxley seems a lot more unconscious about it.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-1892333140513717902008-06-12T11:08:00.000-04:002008-06-12T11:08:00.000-04:00And then you have Brave New World, which is appare...And then you have <I>Brave New World</I>, which is apparently also a dystopia because in its free-love culture everybody *does* feel happy and doesn't give a damn for anything.<BR/><BR/>Damned if you do, damned if you don't.jfpbookwormhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09845037337646489772noreply@blogger.com