tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post1862312223116909684..comments2024-03-19T06:24:03.045-04:00Comments on Fetch me my axe: -points silently-Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger15125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-65163897756191334872008-03-24T14:02:00.000-04:002008-03-24T14:02:00.000-04:00I find it really twisted that so much time and ene...I find it really twisted that so much time and energy is spent trying to score oppression points. FFS, where do these people get off? Perhaps they ought to go out and try and change the world instead of making themselves feel less insecure by slagging off other oppressed people on the internet.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-77474778039287392452008-03-24T13:01:00.000-04:002008-03-24T13:01:00.000-04:00I can buy race, but how can sexual orientation be ...I can buy race, but how can sexual orientation be orthogonal to biological sex? The whole idea of sexual orientation is based on which sex you're attracted to. It's like saying miscegeneation is orthogonal to race.<BR/><BR/>A better explanation than yours is that sexual orientation gets a free pass because women who are attracted to women are expressing solidarity with womankind, while women who Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-47723668843753474882008-03-24T09:16:00.000-04:002008-03-24T09:16:00.000-04:00How interesting. Every single one of those points...How interesting. Every single one of those points correlates closely with behaviors I've noticed being engaged in by adherents of that branch of radfeminism that... well, likes to define who is a Real Feminist(tm). None are "privilege" in the institutional sense; they're of the "stuff-somewhat-like-privilege" that has to do with not sitting down and shutting up. (I guess I mean empowerment, SunflowerPhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15069913788437731669noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-32861493934720082322008-03-24T00:28:00.000-04:002008-03-24T00:28:00.000-04:00Note that they have no objection to the term "tran...Note that they have no objection to the term "trans". It clearly highlights that transwomen are trans-gressing onto women's space. It allows them to inspect transwomen for behaviours that indicate that they are men colonizing the Final Frontier, the most vulnerable position, womanhood. <BR/><BR/>("Gender, the final frontier. These are the voyages of the starship Gender Dysphoria...")<BR/><BR/Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-31971091734989333712008-03-24T00:22:00.000-04:002008-03-24T00:22:00.000-04:00It's different because it's agreed by them that wh...It's different because it's agreed by them that white qua white is more privileged than coloured. And that straight qua straight is more privileged than gay. They agree to this, because they agree (sometimes quite enthusiastically) race and sexual orientation can be taken as orthogonal to biological sex.<BR/><BR/>With the cis/trans labelling problem, "cis" to them is not a character that's Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-80072533506298364902008-03-23T23:34:00.000-04:002008-03-23T23:34:00.000-04:00How is that different from including race in the d...How is that different from including race in the definition, Mandos?Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-839446105609477362008-03-23T04:45:00.000-04:002008-03-23T04:45:00.000-04:00Assuming my rebuttal is still in that thread, hope...Assuming my rebuttal is still in that thread, hopefully they serve as an anodyne for any trans people who might take her post seriously. :(Maddie Hhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05701960869234061244noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-5601793611946444392008-03-22T18:53:00.000-04:002008-03-22T18:53:00.000-04:00re: religion--I did actually make that note in my ...re: religion--I did actually make that note in my comment, and I haven't quite wrapped my head around *why* there's something slightly different there. belle gets at part of it when she talks about what's at stake if you give it up, but again, I'm not really up for unpacking all of that right now.<BR/><BR/>As for language, I can't see how language is in any way a matter of opinion and/or choice. Purtekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04591537643389472535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-22481446716136486882008-03-22T18:44:00.000-04:002008-03-22T18:44:00.000-04:00Privilege happens because of some feature of self....<I>Privilege happens because of some feature of self.</I><BR/><BR/>I'm not so sure. There's such a thing as Christian privilege in the US, Jewish privilege in Israel, Hindu privilege in India, Muslim privilege in Saudi Arabia, Buddhist privilege in Thailand.<BR/><BR/>There's also privilege based on language. This is obvious and natural in countries with a majority language, like the US or France,Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-66107354808534777462008-03-22T18:05:00.000-04:002008-03-22T18:05:00.000-04:00he bizarro world seems to think that not only is i...<I>he bizarro world seems to think that not only is it "silencing" to say "we think you're wrong, based on our experiences or the experiences of other people we've talked to", but also that their beliefs are akin to identity. I don't quite know how to articulate why they're...not</I><BR/><BR/>*nod* This was actually maybe going to be yet another post: "one of these things is not like the other."belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-19165437800106945652008-03-22T17:53:00.000-04:002008-03-22T17:53:00.000-04:00Well, in theory she means more or less "those nois...Well, in theory she means more or less "those noisy transpeople who won't shut up about their place in feminism/the lesbian community and stop painfully reminding us of their existence, as opposed to the 'good ones.'"<BR/><BR/>Whatever her criteria; but somewhere in there she mentioned she had seven (count 'em) transgendered friends/acquaintances, all of whom presumably are totally down with her belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-14297297256032557112008-03-22T17:40:00.000-04:002008-03-22T17:40:00.000-04:00OK, having read the list now, I am reminded that *...OK, having read the list now, I am reminded that *of course* when she says "trans activist" she means "transperson" (should have figured, sorry)...and yet, many of the points are really not about "privilege" in the sense that the word is used on the checklists, but are really objections to arguments and/or argument strategies, which, in the end, is really about the "activism" anyway, so...<BR/><Purtekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04591537643389472535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-45950124337266421592008-03-22T17:34:00.000-04:002008-03-22T17:34:00.000-04:00Before even taking the time to read the thing, let...Before even taking the time to read the thing, let alone any of the 112 comments or the rebuttal, I'd just like to note just how much this is a marvelous exercise in missing the point based entirely on the <I>title</I>. <BR/><BR/>Being an "activist" of any kind, for anything, whether it's a popular political position or not, isn't a locus for privilege. Privilege happens because of some feature Purtekhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04591537643389472535noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-73579020565706830912008-03-22T12:04:00.000-04:002008-03-22T12:04:00.000-04:00No, this is the bizarro world response to that ver...No, this is the bizarro world response to that very thing. Apparently it's VERY OFFENSIVE that someone would dare to insinuate that trans women have it worse than...uh, "females." You know, the REAL ones.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-92184269301202959972008-03-22T11:20:00.000-04:002008-03-22T11:20:00.000-04:00For a second there, I thought it was the straightf...For a second there, I thought it was the straightforward equivalent of the white and male privilege checklists: I have the privileges of being born in the same sex and gender, of not having to beg the government for an ID with the right gender, and so on.Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.com