tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post4344765387163383130..comments2024-03-29T07:02:42.474-04:00Comments on Fetch me my axe: ...yeeeeeahhh, not really funny at all, actually.Unknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger44125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-11111945979186701272007-09-15T14:04:00.000-04:002007-09-15T14:04:00.000-04:00"So the whole "suck it up" thing does NOT play. It..."So the whole "suck it up" thing does NOT play. It is REALLY not that easy. I feel his pain and I know it's not something you just get over."<BR/><BR/>RIGHT ON.Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-86102823756436797432007-09-14T22:01:00.000-04:002007-09-14T22:01:00.000-04:00"Because if they're gonna be on edge anyway, at le..."Because if they're gonna be on edge anyway, at least if I caused it, I had the illusion of controlling it. I claimed my feeble power to control the world around me, mostly by pissing people off by being a fucking weirdo who vigorously rejected their pretty little social games, because it was all that I had."<BR/><BR/>YES. See also my recent post. :)Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-79376279366628382622007-09-14T21:41:00.000-04:002007-09-14T21:41:00.000-04:00I think the boy's fueling his own drama instead of...<I><BR/>I think the boy's fueling his own drama instead of looking for a way out.</I><BR/><BR/>Or maybe he's fueling his own drama AND looking for a way out. <BR/><BR/>You know what, this whole "he should suck it up" and "he should develop some 'real' skills" isn't doing it for me. I grew up in Augusta and lived there for the first 18 years of my life. *I* was physically persecuted by my peers Amber Rheahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02109708537597646450noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-14465690295288273362007-09-14T18:14:00.000-04:002007-09-14T18:14:00.000-04:00There's also ... hokay. I may be white and straig...There's also ... hokay. I may be white and straight, but I also have some experience with being the fucking weirdo, the legitimate target for the bullies, and so on. Not to the extent that other people do, but enough to say something like this:<BR/><BR/>In that space, if there's no option to hide, sometimes it feels like the only option is to wave that freak flag high, to be outrageous, to be Dw3t-Hthrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11584245136407694660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-51611079299007884332007-09-14T17:40:00.000-04:002007-09-14T17:40:00.000-04:00well yeah, again, he's pretty damn self-absorbed/s...well yeah, again, he's pretty damn self-absorbed/solipsistic and, well? not so much with the clues. or for that matter the good boundaries; if he -were-, he wouldn't be confusing himself so blatantly with, well, Britney. <BR/><BR/>all's i can say is: Andy Warhol, you had no -idea.-belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-2946419772143846442007-09-14T17:37:00.000-04:002007-09-14T17:37:00.000-04:00yes, that. That.That and, well, I'd want to ask th...yes, that. That.<BR/><BR/>That and, well, I'd want to ask the black queens on the party line how stolen from they feel. If they say they think it's a problem, that's one thing. If he's their cute little Cracker imitator that they're buddies with and like, I'm not gonna shed TOO many tears -- <BR/><BR/>though of course, yeah, his "It's all the same" and "I'm cool because I can turn it off" (I Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-40395549192489213032007-09-14T17:03:00.000-04:002007-09-14T17:03:00.000-04:00okay, THAT made me laugh out loud...nice touch wit...okay, THAT made me laugh out loud...<BR/><BR/>nice touch with the glistening snot under the nose...belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-39561998272419608462007-09-14T17:00:00.000-04:002007-09-14T17:00:00.000-04:00Interesting background to that popular video...By ...Interesting background to that popular video...<BR/><BR/>By the way here is an amusing parody:<BR/><A HREF="http://griftdrift.blogspot.com/2007/09/leave-general-petraeus-alone.html" REL="nofollow">Leave General Petraeus Alone</A>atlasienhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07242606440109684169noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-53420336431649376952007-09-14T16:45:00.000-04:002007-09-14T16:45:00.000-04:00Well said.Well said.fastladhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/07876572179387325582noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-38043751236547045502007-09-14T16:20:00.000-04:002007-09-14T16:20:00.000-04:00well-I dunno about that, I think we've all taken o...well-I dunno about that, I think we've all taken on all sorts of people here. And again, I agree that someone like TRex is a totally different kettle o' fish. But yeah, I'm just not seeing the real world power the kid has, white skin notwithstanding; and frankly, not being from the South or having much of a clue about the various dynamics in his particular town, situation, whatever, I wouldn't belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-87922591671442137992007-09-14T16:06:00.000-04:002007-09-14T16:06:00.000-04:00I agree with Belle really. I think this kid is in ...I agree with Belle really. I think this kid is in fact appropriating in some really sketchy ways. I think that's critiquable and there's reason to be annoyed by it.<BR/><BR/>At the same time, though, I'm not sure what calling one femme white queer from the boonies on his appropriation accomplishes. Yes, he's I-famous, but... is he really a threat? Is he really originating or reifying that Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-90805532075571444732007-09-14T15:23:00.000-04:002007-09-14T15:23:00.000-04:00like, I'd be less bothered by you not feeling for ...like, I'd be less bothered by you not feeling for this kid in particular (not like i could control it anyway, and again, not like we KNOW him) if i felt like you were maybe a little more interested in y'know, what other people were saying about growing up queer, about drag--hell, maybe we could have a good conversation about the ways in which these experiences have parallels and yet are differentbelledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-31972086022715159342007-09-14T15:21:00.000-04:002007-09-14T15:21:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by the author.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-10136768647780342092007-09-14T15:16:00.000-04:002007-09-14T15:16:00.000-04:00*sigh* and one more thing, and I guess from whence...*sigh* and one more thing, and I guess from whence rises my frustration:<BR/><BR/>In that other hypothetical case, I might have said such a thing, or might not have. But if I did, Donna, and you were clearly trying to at least engage what I was saying, tell me why this thing is not like that other thing and here's why; and I kept brushing right past that with yesyesyes racism we know but the belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-34501984523822620242007-09-14T15:05:00.000-04:002007-09-14T15:05:00.000-04:00...and, too, you do remember wherein I was smackin......and, too, you do remember wherein I was smacking the crap out of TRex before, right? Because, I sort of have had this feeling during this discussion like...I dunno, like suddenly we didn't know each other and (I felt like) you were responding to someone who -was- arguing with you that TRex was just fine and so i spoor Angelina Jolie, STOP PICKING ON THEM. Like...yeah, I may well still be belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-71731188266240078082007-09-14T15:02:00.000-04:002007-09-14T15:02:00.000-04:00I mean, ultimately, you feel the way you feel abou...I mean, ultimately, you feel the way you feel about this kid; truth is neither of us know him any better than he or we know Britney. He's filling in for something. So, yeah, not really about him, per se, emotionally anyway.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-41638944296106177832007-09-14T14:58:00.000-04:002007-09-14T14:58:00.000-04:00Yeah, not actually arguing that point wrt TRex, wa...Yeah, not actually arguing that point wrt TRex, was just saying that he was in a position where he could've and should've known better, had it spelled out to him in so many words and he's -supposed- to be an intelligent progressive representative type guy, and...he didn't. And had tons of support at that juncture--family, RL friends, power, influence. To me, a different situation from some randombelledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-45822973550568253642007-09-14T14:39:00.000-04:002007-09-14T14:39:00.000-04:00We're talking past each other. Yep, he had/has to ...We're talking past each other. <BR/><BR/>Yep, he had/has to watch himself around other white men...but I would wager that this guy never had to be careful not to offend black women, never, especially not in the south. That white privilege and male privilege is some strong stuff, so strong that even an effeminate man knows it's ok to spit on black people if he so desires.<BR/><BR/>You know, I Donnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13714518339153250453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-73395172821350737852007-09-14T13:15:00.000-04:002007-09-14T13:15:00.000-04:00" POC have to be aware of people around us, and ou...<I>" POC have to be aware of people around us, and our effects on them, since we were toddlers.</I><BR/><BR/>Yes, but see, the point here is, so do really gender-incongruent people. Particularly flamingly effeminate boys who couldn't pass if their life literally depended on it.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-44665673862070157172007-09-14T13:13:00.000-04:002007-09-14T13:13:00.000-04:00yeah, Donna, I get the TRex connection. I hear yo...yeah, Donna, I get the TRex connection. I hear you. I'm getting a bit annoyed myself, though, I have to say. TRex is a well-placed would-be political spokesperson who was called on his shit and still acted like a giant asshole. This kid is, well? Probably dancing as fast as he can. He's probably not got that great a grip on -reality,- you know?belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-20585315710068708522007-09-14T13:11:00.000-04:002007-09-14T13:11:00.000-04:00as for idolizing the rich, the white, the conventi...as for idolizing the rich, the white, the conventionally feminine and/or famous: it's hardly limited to white boys. F'r instance, you take <A HREF="http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Venus_Xtravaganza" REL="nofollow">Venus Xtravaganza.</A> Who aspired to be a "spoiled, rich, suburban white girl." She still ended up dead.<BR/><BR/>Yeah, the gay male/drag queen world(s) is by no means immune to belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-61511686873634647252007-09-14T13:07:00.000-04:002007-09-14T13:07:00.000-04:00No Trin, I understood you. It's like that pseudo-B...No Trin, I understood you. It's like that pseudo-Buddhist I mentioned. I'm sure that she thinks she is showing some sort of respect, but she isn't. I thought that is what you were saying here. I just don't want anyone going there. <BR/><BR/>I am getting annoyed with "but he's only 19." POC have to be aware of people around us, and our effects on them, since we were toddlers. You never see anyone Donnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13714518339153250453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-25008829925164999332007-09-14T12:51:00.000-04:002007-09-14T12:51:00.000-04:00and yeah, he's self-absorbed, no doubt racist, not...and yeah, he's self-absorbed, no doubt racist, not likable. I get your point, I really do, but to me it's sort of beside the main one I had in mind for -this- post, i.e. the kid's in a fuckload of pain and it is part of a larger issue, self-centered as the kid, yep, white and all, may be.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-66076894787238845942007-09-14T12:49:00.000-04:002007-09-14T12:49:00.000-04:00Donna: the point is, we're not feeling bad for Bri...Donna: the point is, we're not feeling bad for Britney, we're feeling bad for the kid himself, who is decidely NOT rich and famous, even if he aspires to be. You're right: it IS apples and oranges, racism and homophobia. They're -both- still serious as a stroke. Yeah?belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-60922615372781408532007-09-14T12:27:00.000-04:002007-09-14T12:27:00.000-04:00Donna:Just in case you think I said that: I did no...Donna:<BR/><BR/>Just in case you think I said that: I did not say this kid appropriates respectfully.Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.com