tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post5845013093734895404..comments2024-03-28T03:15:55.088-04:00Comments on Fetch me my axe: btw, in case anyone (else) ever wondered what the oft-alluded to "pie fight" was all aboutUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger32125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-27025333899864752182007-05-26T01:10:00.000-04:002007-05-26T01:10:00.000-04:00"I suppose you could defend the POC and feminist m..."I suppose you could defend the POC and feminist movements on the grounds that their votes are needed. Or, you know, you can show some integrity."<BR/><BR/>Integrity, I'm not sure what this word means, does it mean only caring about what white men want and only listening to them? I think it must since that is the way you are using it.Donnahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13714518339153250453noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-53100477745251071642007-05-24T16:40:00.000-04:002007-05-24T16:40:00.000-04:00dismissing the death threats and rape threats agai...<I>dismissing the death threats and rape threats against Kathy Sierra are very much classic Ignorant Sexist Asshole behavior.</I> - belldame222<BR/><BR/>I missed that part. Threats should never be dismissed, except, ya know, by the person being threatened. That said; dismissing threats isn't necessarily sexist. Generally, it's something all together different.<BR/><BR/>I suppose you could defend Central Content Publisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00253155339560248960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-20695725308102371902007-05-24T16:29:00.000-04:002007-05-24T16:29:00.000-04:00CCP, one difference between the two is that the fe...CCP, one difference between the two is that the feminist movement generally realizes it's operating within a niche. NOW tries operating within the left together with other organizations; Kos is trying to take over the left and marginalize all of those organizations.<BR/><BR/>Mind you, that's the more established feminist wing. The bloggers are even worse than Kos when it comes to handling Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-76225872676925865322007-05-24T11:37:00.000-04:002007-05-24T11:37:00.000-04:00AW: okay, it must've been second or third-hand th...AW: okay, it must've been second or third-hand then, 'cuz I never read the Kitty Kelley book. could be apocryphal then, I expect.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-73132686562228369692007-05-24T11:36:00.000-04:002007-05-24T11:36:00.000-04:00and yeah, generally speaking, especially when some...and yeah, generally speaking, especially when someone says something like "sanctimonious womens' studies set," one takes that to mean by and large women, same as one would take it to mostly mean POC, and their concerns, if one said "sanctimonious Black Studies set." <BR/><BR/>yeah, of course you can find women and POC who are not only not feminists/down with various anti-racist theories and belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-36349005913287534402007-05-24T11:32:00.000-04:002007-05-24T11:32:00.000-04:00Also, when you are in politics, supposedly "crashi...Also, when you are in politics, supposedly "crashing the gate" for the rest of us, for to make a better Party and world, a nominal mainstream liberal/progressive/Democratic guy, and you out of hand dismiss womens' concerns as, you know, a distraction from the -important shit-, also falling handily silent when -seriously- misogynist fuckheads run rampant all over your boards-- people tend to not belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-84944071372845331582007-05-24T11:29:00.000-04:002007-05-24T11:29:00.000-04:00ccp: dismissing the death threats and rape threats...ccp: dismissing the death threats and rape threats against Kathy Sierra are very much classic Ignorant Sexist Asshole behavior.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-82531631728107885382007-05-24T11:27:00.000-04:002007-05-24T11:27:00.000-04:00His *subsequent* behavior clearly reflects a sexis...<I>His *subsequent* behavior clearly reflects a sexist attitude.</I> - Trinity<BR/><BR/>I didn't see anything to indicate that. What I saw, is what usually happens. Someone criticizes feminism, then feminists interpret that as a criticism against women in general, and then they act like idiots, and in return, are treated like idiots. An almost understandable mistake when you consider that the Central Content Publisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00253155339560248960noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-24848493690621613992007-05-24T07:31:00.000-04:002007-05-24T07:31:00.000-04:00Ack, forgot to add a clause;Judging from the abort...Ack, forgot to add a clause;<BR/><BR/>Judging from the abortion comments when people talk about the book in reviews, that's where it comes from. I s'pose the quote could've waltzed in from somewhere else, though.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-16149623636142634642007-05-24T07:10:00.000-04:002007-05-24T07:10:00.000-04:00The quote came from Kitty Kelley's unauthorized bi...The quote came from Kitty Kelley's unauthorized biography of Nancy Reagan. Wiki says most of it is uncited. Can't find any excerpts for context, unfortunately.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-81918420186335098692007-05-24T02:36:00.000-04:002007-05-24T02:36:00.000-04:00And are -greedy.- shrug. At this point I figure ...And are -greedy.- <BR/><BR/>shrug. At this point I figure whatever the edjumacaction thing is, it's her mishegos, not my problem.<BR/><BR/>just reading her in that whole thread though...<BR/><BR/>yeah, i dunno. I figure from now on it'll just save a lot of time and energy to mentally substitute<BR/><BR/>"THAT REMINDS ME OF ME!!!"<BR/><BR/>...for all her posts, whenever I'm unfortunate enough belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-86720593462315605022007-05-24T02:27:00.000-04:002007-05-24T02:27:00.000-04:00Ugh. That's even worse than what Kos said. Kos is ...Ugh. That's even worse than what Kos said. Kos is a self-styled activist, who together with Atrios is contrasted with the more intellectual liberal bloggers, like Josh Marshall. But Amanda pushes forward theories of everything and likes to dabble in high-level discussions. Her complaining that people who criticize her in that milieu have postgraduate degrees is about as sensible as a Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-44933414077040561352007-05-24T02:20:00.000-04:002007-05-24T02:20:00.000-04:00threatened. to sue....yeah, it's classic, innit?M...threatened. to sue.<BR/><BR/>...<BR/><BR/>yeah, it's classic, innit?<BR/><BR/>Maybe there's a group book in the offing, you know, the backlash to "Crashing the Gate:"<BR/><BR/>"Whitewashing the Fence."belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-16893905022168087902007-05-24T02:03:00.000-04:002007-05-24T02:03:00.000-04:00Oh yeah, and that was one of the milder things tha...Oh yeah, and that was one of the milder things that was said. I'm telling you, it got crazy in there. I'm not a shrinking violet, but my jaw was dropping right down to the floor, there were just threads with hundreds and hundreds of comments like that. And there were many male kos regulars who were like, "Um...guys? This is kind of getting a little bit out of control? This is a website where Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-63697547035011627662007-05-24T01:45:00.000-04:002007-05-24T01:45:00.000-04:00oh yeah. because we all totally are. and all und...oh yeah. because we all totally are. and all undifferentiated called her a "bougie snob" (actually I don't think I said "snob").<BR/><BR/>so yeah, I replied to that one, the gist of which, one, that was me and only me what said that, two, actually BL (for instance) is neither a rgad student nor bougie, -I- am bougie; three, I apologized for that, in public yet, what was this now? -nine- monthsbelledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-49855202561130477112007-05-24T01:39:00.000-04:002007-05-24T01:39:00.000-04:00Oh, I just realized something... didn't Amanda ref...Oh, I just realized something... didn't Amanda refer to you and B | L and BA and Sylvia and Donna as "The grad student set" somewhere in this latest shitstorm?Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-80073347074719844882007-05-24T01:16:00.000-04:002007-05-24T01:16:00.000-04:00dude. I remember "menstruating she devils." you ...dude. I remember "menstruating she devils." you mean, that came off a THREAT? or something someone actually SAID? at kos'.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-88638719741094265712007-05-24T01:13:00.000-04:002007-05-24T01:13:00.000-04:00Nobody really cared about the ad except like two p...Nobody really cared about the ad except like two people, but once kos said the bit about "The sanctimonious women's studies set," then the frat house doors blew open wide and all the boys came out to play and thread after thread of some serious messed up shit, about rape victims and all kinds of things, if I'm remmebering right, and kos didn't do anything to stop it, and didn't say anything Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-43840698325239034952007-05-24T01:05:00.000-04:002007-05-24T01:05:00.000-04:00If I can remember where I remember the quote from,...If I can remember where I remember the quote from, I might be able to remember the context. As I recall it was sort of, you know, those protesters, loud and declasse, something. As recounted via Molly Ivins or something, though, the interpretation that is.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-69678818418158951222007-05-24T00:59:00.000-04:002007-05-24T00:59:00.000-04:00Wow. Nancy Reagan said that? Did she mean the stan...Wow. Nancy Reagan said that? Did she mean the standard right-to-lifers, or the sort that focus on the right of Latin American priests not to be hanged? The latter sounds much more in line with her husband's government.Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-84899580558145993102007-05-24T00:55:00.000-04:002007-05-24T00:55:00.000-04:00and then, too, the way he responded to the Kathy S...and then, too, the way he responded to the Kathy Sierra business just sort of confirmed what a lot of people already thought, just...more so.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-61688306609430420962007-05-24T00:54:00.000-04:002007-05-24T00:54:00.000-04:00Yeah, the general consensus was that the real prob...Yeah, the general consensus was that the real problem wasn't so much the original ad, which was, yes, a kerfuffle, but I think mostly in the way stupid crap like that always is on the Internets, but the way he responded; the "sanctimonious womens' set" thing was basically his way of dismissing not only those critiques but, people read pretty clear, feminists, hell, women (at least in so far as belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-28099476500814164972007-05-24T00:02:00.000-04:002007-05-24T00:02:00.000-04:00The ad was a fairly small thing to many of the pri...The ad was a fairly small thing to many of the principals in the pie fight. When I asked Liza about it, she said she personally didn't think there was anything wrong with the ad, but did think Kos's response to those who did was an outrage.<BR/><BR/>Personally, I hate foul-mouthed contrarians. They piss everyone off, and then expect the people who care about little things like political Alon Levyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12195377309045184452noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-70436169690409733992007-05-23T23:38:00.000-04:002007-05-23T23:38:00.000-04:00"I'm some-what reminded of Ren's experiences with ..."I'm some-what reminded of Ren's experiences with the anti-porn crew, and more specifically the: I was abused, and am sensitive to certain images or sounds or times of the day and everyone should curtail their output to accommodate my syndrome."<BR/><BR/>Yeah. How is fake lesbian pie fights anything but goofy and tasteless? How does that reflect some attitude on the part of Kos?<BR/><BR/>His *Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-61953177268892723332007-05-23T23:20:00.000-04:002007-05-23T23:20:00.000-04:00Yeah, I was all over the place - that's fair criti...Yeah, I was all over the place - that's fair criticism. I think, to often, I have too many things to say at once. But brevity prevails. And so, in turn, does all over the placeness. I even contradicted myself.... sort-a.<BR/><BR/>And yeah, like trinity, I get a real eye rolling sensation from this kind of stuff.<BR/><BR/>I'm some-what reminded of Ren's experiences with the anti-porn crew, and Central Content Publisherhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/00253155339560248960noreply@blogger.com