tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post6990201841440923749..comments2024-03-18T10:09:26.565-04:00Comments on Fetch me my axe: On "allying," some collected thoughts, such as they areUnknownnoreply@blogger.comBlogger21125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-35972457374200934932008-05-13T00:51:00.000-04:002008-05-13T00:51:00.000-04:00MAgneto is awesome, although, the hat, well...stil...MAgneto is awesome, although, the hat, well...<BR/><BR/>still, can't argue with Ian MacKellen.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-80336041441604780862008-05-12T22:50:00.000-04:002008-05-12T22:50:00.000-04:00**generally, a term I find myself using a lot more...<I>**generally, a term I find myself using a lot more than "ally," unless the context really calls for the latter.</I><BR/><BR/>*cries a little*<BR/><BR/>*pretends she wasn't, straightens up*<BR/><BR/>As for those "other" people *smirk*:<BR/>I am an X-Men fan.<BR/>Sometimes I really feel Magneto.<BR/><BR/>Frequently, those are "one of those times". <BR/><BR/>littlem out.littlemhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/03718332143368553659noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-16538331152159524402008-05-05T15:12:00.000-04:002008-05-05T15:12:00.000-04:00BORK BORK BORK!!BORK BORK BORK!!Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-81687974960596288662008-05-05T14:59:00.000-04:002008-05-05T14:59:00.000-04:00o all right, one wouldn't want to be accused of "c...o all right, one wouldn't want to be accused of "censorship," would one. for anyone who's miffed at missing andy's brilliance, here 'tis, enlivened slightly:<BR/><BR/>Thet deedn't teke-a yuoo lung. Su, zee beeg qooesshun thet yuoo ere-a effreeed zee poobleec see-a: vhy shuoold unybudy help oor elly veet yuoo effter seeeeng yuoor vurk? It cunteeens nutheeng. Und zeen yuoo merch ell oofer zee belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-58161477621377836322008-05-05T14:53:00.000-04:002008-05-05T14:53:00.000-04:00sorry, Andy, you failed the blogwarbot test.sorry, Andy, you failed the blogwarbot test.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-36561333334411734222008-05-05T11:42:00.000-04:002008-05-05T11:42:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-12252475512643003132008-05-04T19:48:00.000-04:002008-05-04T19:48:00.000-04:00Yeah, Belle, I think you're right. I just also thi...Yeah, Belle, I think you're right. I just also think, well, elle has a point with her coalition building thing: sometimes we do make *alliances*, where I don't mean by that word that I know what this other ally-thingy means, just generally. And I think elle had in mind that since "ally" is really ill-defined, sometimes people expect others to ACT like friends, cos being a real ALLY is y'know Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-6402523667590601852008-05-04T19:26:00.000-04:002008-05-04T19:26:00.000-04:00This comment has been removed by a blog administrator.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-44808527140085900642008-05-04T17:43:00.000-04:002008-05-04T17:43:00.000-04:00so, but yeah, I guess this is really most of it: ...so, but yeah, I guess this is really most of it: I don't really go around calling -myself- an "ally." I'm not necessarily saying it's never a useful term, away with it. If there's a meeting, let's say, and the people running it want to make it clear that it's not exclusive to people who are members of group ___, then if they say, "[people who are ___] and allies welcome," then I know it's all belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-26890506340961704832008-05-04T17:37:00.000-04:002008-05-04T17:37:00.000-04:00o i see. it--nngh. Well--I don't know that I hav...o i see. it--nngh. Well--I don't know that I have "ally duties" to her [or anyone] -personally.- If I think she has a point about something, then I think it's a good thing to say so, even if I don't happen to like her personally. But that's not really exclusive to this stuff, I suppose...<BR/><BR/> If I think someone's being a bigot against group ___, and so and so is a member of group ___ belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-52481397809548094632008-05-04T17:32:00.000-04:002008-05-04T17:32:00.000-04:00Belle, yeah, that's exactly what I thought you mea...Belle, yeah, that's exactly what I thought you meant. Did you get the impression I thought something else? If so I really ought to edit the post -- what I meant was "how about thinking of this in terms of 'so and so is my friend,' and what follows from that, rather than 'and how do I tick off the Black Folks tickbox?'"<BR/><BR/>That's what I both liked and didn't like about the comments -- I Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-29878781756131483992008-05-04T17:28:00.000-04:002008-05-04T17:28:00.000-04:00Just to note: it's not that I mean I say "friend ...Just to note: it's not that I mean I say "friend of group _____," like "Friends of Wildlife," it's more, I tend to enter into these conversations alongside someone whom I do actually consider a friend. but mostly I don't end up really needing to self-ID at all. fwiw.belledame222https://www.blogger.com/profile/13947289856453172848noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-46556503422044456632008-05-04T16:48:00.000-04:002008-05-04T16:48:00.000-04:00Belle:I love your "friend" discussion, though I th...Belle:<BR/><BR/>I love your "friend" discussion, though I thought I might point you to the fact that a few of my commenters don't, and I think they've got good points (though I'm still not sure I agree):<BR/><BR/><A HREF="http://trinityva.livejournal.com/793412.html" REL="nofollow">comments to this post</A>Trinityhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06846032433424879965noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-76892568089054675312008-05-04T14:57:00.000-04:002008-05-04T14:57:00.000-04:00**generally, a term I find myself using a lot more...<I>**generally, a term I find myself using a lot more than "ally," unless the context really calls for the latter.</I><BR/><BR/>Me too...it'd frankly seem odd to declare myself an 'ally' of people I've been sharing life with for bloody years.thenehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11851538869806389235noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-16413888072169883632008-05-04T10:53:00.000-04:002008-05-04T10:53:00.000-04:00As opposed to, garsh, I don't know, I like -some- ...<I>As opposed to, garsh, I don't know, I like -some- of "these people" as PEOPLE, and therefore, by listening to them and getting to know them, I give a fuck when they say "ouch, this hurts," even if it doesn't seem to directly affect me (at first).</I><BR/><BR/>No wai! They just can't take a joke!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-92062266543013742452008-05-04T09:00:00.000-04:002008-05-04T09:00:00.000-04:00Yup, ally to me implies some sort of exchange alon...Yup, ally to me implies some sort of exchange along the lines of 'I'll support you if you give me your knowledge'.<BR/><BR/>Whereas friend is mutual.svarrihttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11241561237702613400noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-71243304521779338682008-05-04T08:36:00.000-04:002008-05-04T08:36:00.000-04:00I'm glad you're around. =)I'm glad you're around. =)Diojeanne of Signuphttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13165430154980722725noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-29850077118480261262008-05-03T23:57:00.000-04:002008-05-03T23:57:00.000-04:00Great post. "Make real connections, not just ‘oh,...Great post. "Make real connections, not just ‘oh, i want to LEARN from you’" = right on. To me that's the best way to be an ally, which is why I too like "friend" better unless ally's just a better fit. <BR/><BR/>The people making that rant are probably ones who don't get it on a visceral level and also don't get why anyone else would. Their great loss.Octogalorehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/14052288318330285365noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-28408378906588679272008-05-03T21:27:00.000-04:002008-05-03T21:27:00.000-04:00amen.amen.Unknownhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/04105527061986066269noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-80944326993534678392008-05-03T18:20:00.000-04:002008-05-03T18:20:00.000-04:00I am reminded that my most common gloss for "You'r...I am reminded that my most common gloss for "You're being PC" is "You don't really believe that, you're just saying it to get a cookie."Dw3t-Hthrhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/11584245136407694660noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-18375173.post-12355251531134948882008-05-03T17:37:00.000-04:002008-05-03T17:37:00.000-04:00yeah. what you said. :)yeah. <BR/><BR/>what you said. <BR/><BR/>:)Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com