Sunday, December 03, 2006

Two quizzes, and two to grow on.

You may have seen this before--hell, even at my spot, i don't know, i'm apparently up to my 500th post now--but alphabitch reminded me that this is a fun little quiz:
Beliefnet's Belief-O-Matic. You may (or may not) be surprised by the results.

You may also learn something new about yourself from another oldie but goodie, The Political Compass Test. It's not just left/right.

anyway if you do take either, lemme know the results in comments. Inquiring Minds and all.

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So, there's been a lot of talk about "empowerment" in the feminist-verse. What does that mean to you, womenfolk? Renegade Evolution wants to know.

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31 comments:

belledame222 said...

My result for the Political Compass--i've taken it before, it changes slightly from time to time, but always well in the lower left hand corner: (i.e. left/libertarian):

Economic Left/Right: -7.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.38

R. Mildred said...

I hate that quiz, quesitons like this:

There is now a worrying fusion of information and entertainment.

Throw me becuase I know that the words "now" and "worrying" are inaccurate or up for debate, because the borderline between news and entertainment has been blurred into nonexistence since they first started writing stuff down, most egyption hieroglyphs were just excuses to draw large nobs on everything and have lactation all over the place, and then there's the pamphlets and use of the printed words in western europe during the whole enlightenment period, and it's all so fucking complex that I can't put my position on that question into a simple agree/disagree spectrum, it demands nuance ffs.

But I guess what they meant to ask is "do you think rupert murdoch is an evil bastard?", so I guess I strongly agree...

I kinda object to most of the premise as well, stalin was rightwing, the man named himself "the man of steel" and had a stupid 70's porn moustache - he's rightwing ffs.

belledame222 said...

Belief-O-Matic results:


1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Neo-Pagan (98%)
3. New Age (90%)
4. Liberal Quakers (86%)
5. Mahayana Buddhism (82%)
6. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (81%)
7. Secular Humanism (81%)
8. Theravada Buddhism (75%)
9. New Thought (68%)
10. Reform Judaism (63%)
11. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (62%)
12. Scientology (59%)
13. Bahá'í Faith (59%)
14. Hinduism (59%)
15. Orthodox Quaker (57%)
16. Taoism (57%)
17. Jainism (52%)
18. Sikhism (52%)
19. Nontheist (51%)
20. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (42%)
21. Orthodox Judaism (37%)
22. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (35%)
23. Islam (26%)
24. Seventh Day Adventist (26%)
25. Jehovah's Witness (24%)
26. Eastern Orthodox (20%)
27. Roman Catholic (20%)



There's also a related quiz, What's your spiritual type.


my results:

50 - 59
Spiritual Straddler – One foot in traditional religion, one foot in free-form spirituality

i have to say there were a few there where i really wanted a "none of the above" or "don't know" option, but o well.

belledame222 said...

yeah, they're none of 'em perfectly constructed.

and yes, "rupert murdoch is an evil bastard" was how i interpreted that one as well.

i expect they're also going off purported ideals as opposed to what so and so actually -did.- i could be wrong.

elle said...

belledame, i'm going to post my results, but i'm scratching my head a little. gotta read more.

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -9.00
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian:
-5.74

Nanette said...

I can never resist these quizzes! From tarot cards to political compasses, I find most all of them great fun.

Anyway, here are my results from the political compass one -

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -8.50
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -8.10

And then the religious one... I've taken this before and I usually come out 100% secular humanist... somewhere along the line since then I must have gotten religion!

1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Liberal Quakers (93%)
3. Secular Humanism (89%)
4. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (86%)
5. Theravada Buddhism (86%)
6. Nontheist (76%)
7. Bah�'� Faith (74%)
8. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (64%)
9. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (64%)
10. Jehovah's Witness (64%)
11. Jainism (49%)
12. Hinduism (44%)
13. Mahayana Buddhism (44%)
14. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (44%)
15. Taoism (43%)
16. Neo-Pagan (40%)
17. Orthodox Quaker (35%)
18. New Thought (30%)
19. Sikhism (27%)
20. Seventh Day Adventist (23%)
21. New Age (20%)
22. Eastern Orthodox (13%)
23. Islam (13%)
24. Orthodox Judaism (13%)
25. Reform Judaism (13%)
26. Roman Catholic (13%)
27. Scientology (13%)

Nanette said...

Okay and also on the spiritual type test:

30 - 39
Spiritual Dabbler -- Open to spiritual matters but far from impressed

(the captcha thing sounds like someone in extremis - "umsggtk")

Rootietoot said...

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -0.25
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian:
-2.77

I thought the statement about the rich paying too much tax was misleading, because I think EVERYONE pays too much tax.

I'm also an Orthodox Quaker, according to Belief-O-Matic. Which is true except there isn't a Quaker congregation here. So I'm Methodist instead.

elle said...

Belief-o-matic

1. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (100%)
2. Liberal Quakers (90%)
3. Unitarian Universalism (83%)
4. Orthodox Quaker (79%)
5. Bahá'í Faith (73%)
6. Neo-Pagan (71%)
7. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (69%)
8. New Age (66%)
9. Reform Judaism (66%)
10. Mahayana Buddhism (65%)
11. Theravada Buddhism (64%)
12. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (59%)
13. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (56%)
14. Secular Humanism (55%)
15. Jainism (54%)
16. Sikhism (54%)
17. New Thought (51%)
18. Orthodox Judaism (51%)
19. Islam (49%)
20. Taoism (49%)
21. Scientology (48%)
22. Eastern Orthodox (48%)
23. Roman Catholic (48%)
24. Seventh Day Adventist (48%)
25. Hinduism (40%)
26. Jehovah's Witness (40%)
27. Nontheist (32%)

Rootietoot said...

70 - 79
Questioning Believer – You have doubts about the particulars but not the Big Stuff

belledame222 said...

I like that the Belief-O-Matic allows for the possibility of having high or low percentages in any one category without it necessarily taking away from another.

rosmar said...

I turned out to be a socialist atheist with agnostic and buddhist leanings. I should move back to the Bay Area. Like, now.

JackGoff said...

My Belief-O-Matic:

1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Secular Humanism (97%)
3. Liberal Quakers (83%)
4. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (76%)
5. Theravada Buddhism (76%)
6. Nontheist (73%)
7. Neo-Pagan (67%)
8. New Age (51%)
9. Baha'i Faith (47%)
10. Taoism (45%)
11. Mahayana Buddhism (42%)
12. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (41%)
13. Reform Judaism (39%)
14. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (39%)
15. Orthodox Quaker (37%)
16. Sikhism (32%)
17. Jainism (31%)
18. Jehovah's Witness (31%)
19. New Thought (31%)
20. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (29%)
21. Scientology (26%)
22. Hinduism (21%)
23. Seventh Day Adventist (17%)
24. Orthodox Judaism (16%)
25. Eastern Orthodox (14%)
26. Islam (14%)
27. Roman Catholic (14%)


Nice. Roman Catholic is 14%. My mom would be ashamed.

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -8.75
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.23

Laura said...

Yay for tests!

Your political compass
Economic Left/Right: -8.63
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian:
-6.36

Pretty acurate I think.

Daisy said...

Oh, fun. I've taken both of these before, but not for a long time. This time around...

Economic Left/Right: -6.38
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -7.85

1. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (100%)
2. Liberal Quakers (91%)
3. Unitarian Universalism (83%)
4. Reform Judaism (76%)
5. Bahá'í Faith (67%)
6. Secular Humanism (66%)
7. Neo-Pagan (64%)
8. New Age (56%)
9. Sikhism (56%)
10. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (54%)
11. New Thought (51%)
12. Orthodox Quaker (51%)
13. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (49%)
14. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (48%)
15. Mahayana Buddhism (47%)
16. Theravada Buddhism (45%)
17. Scientology (44%)
18. Nontheist (42%)
19. Orthodox Judaism (41%)
20. Taoism (40%)
21. Jehovah's Witness (39%)
22. Eastern Orthodox (38%)
23. Roman Catholic (38%)
24. Seventh Day Adventist (37%)
25. Islam (36%)
26. Jainism (25%)
27. Hinduism (25%)

And also:

50 - 59
Spiritual Straddler – One foot in traditional religion, one foot in free-form spirituality

Rootietoot said...

Funny to me how most everyone here seems to be Unitarian...not odd, but funny. I'm also apparently the most conservative of the lot.
I don't know why it's funny so don't ask me to justify that statement, it just is.

my word verification sounds like a suppressed sneeze: cbbnuh

Louisefeminista said...

My scores for the political compass are:

Economic Left/Right: -9.23
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian: -9.33

Belief-O-Matic: Secular Humanist

I don't mind quizzes but they tell you sod all... ;)

KH said...

Remember that there are multiple good reasons for skepticism whether these things are actually measures. In particular, I wonder how well the authors of the Political Compass understand political & economic ideas.

-4.75, -8.41.

1. Secular Humanism (100%)
2. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
3. Liberal Quakers (88%)
4. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (85%)
5. Theravada Buddhism (72%)
6. Neo-Pagan (68%)
7. Nontheist (68%)
8. Bahá'í Faith (57%)
9. New Age (53%)
10. Christian Science (Church of Christ, Scientist) (52%)
11. Taoism (50%)
12. Church of Jesus Christ of Latter-Day Saints (Mormons) (47%)
13. Reform Judaism (46%)
14. Mahayana Buddhism (42%)
15. New Thought (41%)
16. Orthodox Quaker (38%)
17. Scientology (36%)
18. Sikhism (35%)
19. Jehovah's Witness (34%)
20. Mainline to Conservative Christian/Protestant (32%)
21. Jainism (29%)
22. Hinduism (21%)
23. Seventh Day Adventist (16%)
24. Eastern Orthodox (14%)
25. Islam (14%)
26. Orthodox Judaism (14%)
27. Roman Catholic (14%)

Alon Levy said...

On the PC test, I usually get -5.38 economic and -9.08 social, give or take.

R. Mildred, Stalin was economically left-wing. The regime he created had a rock-bottom Gini index and no fascist-style corporatist control. The test correctly pegs him as a social authoritarian and an economic leftist.

KH said...

Egalitarianism doesn't equal support for Soviet-style central planning.
Egalitarianism doesn't equal economic nationalism. Egalitarianism doesn't equal assuming class in some (unspecified) way trumps nationality.
Self-ownership egalitarianism can conflict with welfarist egalitarianism.
Egalitarianism isn't the same thing as opposition to commodification.
Egalitarianism isn't unambiguously measured by one's views on targets in monetary policy.
Egalitarianism isn't unambiguously measured by views on many of the other things the Political Compass codes as leftist.

belledame222 said...

it's not a perfect test, no.

still, i thought if nothing else it's useful for noting that in fact all of the major D presidential candidates (Kucinich excepted) are/were both right and authoritarian of center, albeit closer to the center than Bush.

they seem to be using a sort of of ummm, well what is it; transnationalist understanding of current left economics.

i just pulled that directly out of my ass, you know

Rootietoot said...

e·gal·i·tar·i·an /
–adjective 1. asserting, resulting from, or characterized by belief in the equality of all people, esp. in political, economic, or social life.

Rootietoot said...

"still, i thought if nothing else it's useful for noting that in fact all of the major D presidential candidates (Kucinich excepted) are/were both right and authoritarian of center, albeit closer to the center than Bush."

Maybe it's a reflection of the type of personality that runs for president, coupled with the idea that they wouldn't get elected at all if they ran on a far left-of-center platform. Fact is, many many folk are basically socially and economically conservative, and to alientate them completely would be shooting oneself in the political foot.

Alon Levy said...

I think the test's deliberately built to make governments and politicians look more right-wing than ordinary people. There's no way Sweden is on the y-axis while I'm halfway between it and the left edge of the map.

KH, the test doesn't measure egalitarianism, but economic leftism. It doesn't measure the right subcomponents - for example, it puts too much emphasis on corporate power and too little on economic equality (hence the rightward skew of the political mainstream) - but still, that's what it's supposed to do.

I've been thinking of designing an alternative test that has the same axes but different questions, but I'll only do it if people are interested in it (in which case input is always appreciated).

R. Mildred said...

R. Mildred, Stalin was economically left-wing.

Dodgy Moustache: Facist.

All gay porn stars of the 1970's: Facists. Them and their degrading anal sexuality.

the whole Left/Right dichotomy breaks down with stalin, he's the social-economic equivalent to a blackhole, his regime was if anything super-bourgeois - instead of having capital controlled in by a few greedy capitalists it was just stalin, starving and killing everyone he didn't like.

Stalin made Russia (and its sattellites) into one giant corporation, he was only leftwing in the sense that he gave his employees a good medical and dental plan.

Why is beta not leting me sign in?

belledame222 said...

jeezus, i dunno; i'm not even -on- beta as far as i know.

made the first step toward getting a WP account yesterday; now it's telling me i don't have cookies and so can't sign in, or some damn thing. bastard.

so, what are goatees?

belledame222 said...

i suppose that's what the site means by "left wing economically," wrt the whole medical and dental plan; the compleat right wing econ would be like, if you were meant to have strong teeth you would HAVE strong teeth! you would fight in the market and eat meat directly off the cow, like us! grr!

alphabitch said...

I'm right about where you are on the political compass, belledame.

Alon Levy said...

he was only leftwing in the sense that he gave his employees a good medical and dental plan

...and in the sense that the USSR had a Gini index that makes Sweden look like a dog-eat-dog country.

Alex said...

Belief-o-matic, turn turn turn, tell us the religion that we must... think Alex is.... damnit, that didn't flow.

1. Unitarian Universalism (100%)
2. Secular Humanism (94%)
3. Liberal Quakers (83%)
4. Mainline to Liberal Christian Protestants (83%)
5. Nontheist (71%)
[...]
22. Hinduism (19%)
23. Seventh Day Adventist (14%)
24. Orthodox Judaism (12%)
25. Eastern Orthodox (10%)
26. Islam (10%)
27. Roman Catholic (10%)

I swear, it must pick UU for EVERYTHING, since I'm a pretty devout (ha) athiest. (Nontheist?) I guess Secular Humanism is close. But Liberal Quaker?

Also, like Jack, my grandparents would be ashamed that Roman Catholic came in dead last. (But I like their churches/paintings/sculptures/Italy, so maybe it's okay?)

And Spiritual Type... I don't like a lot of these questions (such as the disasters/murders one; bad things don't make me think there is no God, it just doesn't make me think "why, God, why?". And a couple of the questions are framed as "in general, my opinions on religion are... and for ME I don't want it, but for others I'm neutral. So.)

30 - Spiritual Dabbler, borderline Hardcore Skeptic. "Open to spiritual matters but far from impressed."


And politically:
Left/Right -9.25 (!!)
Social Libertarian/Authoritarian -8.10

...putting me left of and more libertarian than Nelson Mandela and the Dalai Lama. No wonder I vote NDP.

I honestly didn't realize I'd gone THAT far left. And I was going middle of the road for a lot of those! I've taken this test about a bajillion times, too. I think I'm just getting progressively closer to the bottom left corner. One day I'll fall off.

Nanette said...

I swear, it must pick UU for EVERYTHING, since I'm a pretty devout (ha) athiest. (Nontheist?) I guess Secular Humanism is close. But Liberal Quaker?

lol, that was my reaction too, Alex. In thinking about it, though, it does sort of make sense to me, in that over (internet) time, I've been exposed to more and more people and their spiritual practices and how those inform their liberal/leftyism and their quests for social justice and so on... so when answering the questions this time, even tho I myself am an atheist, I think I took some of their experiences into consideration.

Same with the left/right thing - if I recall correctly, the first time I took that quiz I was in the 7s somewhere. Now I'm in the 8s... I don't think I've gotten any more "left" (I'm pretty far over there in the first place) so much as I've learned more about the issues they present (and how they present them) and also have learned more to reject various frames and myths (which we imbibe with our mothers milk [or Enfamil] in the US) and to answer the questions with more of what I actually think, than what I might think I should think.

You know, it's a great tragedy that no one has yet made comment software that would prevent ones sentences from running on and on and on. Sigh.