Tuesday, May 15, 2007

"...but time and chance happeneth to them all."

Falwell's dead.

May he go to whatever Eternal Reward that he has earned.

47 comments:

Mandos said...

Speaking of death, and since I can't hurt my case any more than I've now decided to just go and do, you might be amused to know that I am involved in my own long, slow execution at you-know-where.

The suspense is, well, killing me.

Renegade Evolution said...

this is me not crying...

belledame222 said...

I don't think that's very nice; just because mandos likes to try to drag me into attempting-to-be-long-forgotten blogdramas on unrelated topics, doesn't mean he deserves to be -executed.- I'd cry. Some.

-exhale.- Give me the Cliff Note summary. What'd you do?

Mandos said...

Oh, Twisty decided to needle the world with a new proposal about how to deal with rape, via a legal change that would, under one interpretation, criminalize heterosexual sex. (She participates in the thread, but never to clarify what the correct interpretation should be, leading to a giant flamewar with some male posters suggesting that a law shouldn't be designed to pose a hypothetical risk of sending every man who has sex to jail.)

I pointed out some problems with it, in my usual detached sort of way, but somehow the thread became all about my detachment. I decided to engage them, which was a mistake.

Anyway, the upshot is, Twisty started a thread entitled "The Mandos Referendum", which is a free for all for my critics to expound on all the interesting ways they hope I will die. Needless to say, there was an overwhelming "yes" vote on bannage, but apparently Twisty is entertained by this enough to let this keep going, with me happily participating in the lurid imaginings of what should happen to me.

Twisty, in the meanwhile, posts a closeup photo of her dog's fur.

Mandos said...

By the way, the fact that I attempt to provoke commentary out of you (which I'm doing now) became a major subject of the charges against me.

Mandos said...

Oh, and this has been going on since the afternoon, and Twisty has intervened fairly late in the thread, and I'm apparently still not banned.

belledame222 said...

Sounds perfectly delightful.

What else are you up to these days, when you're not being happily torn to shreds by bargain-basement Maenads?

Mandos said...

Not much in the blog world, actually. Mostly real-life stuff.

Renegade Evolution said...

i was refering to jerry, not mandos...

but mandos, I gotta ask...why the fuck bother?

I do find it amusing though, seeing as these are some of the same folk who probably accuse me regularly of being "insane and violent"...

Well, I am kinda violent, but only with consenting folk, but...

humans....

Mandos said...

Maybe I do actually think they have something interesting to say...

That Queer Chick said...

What's really weird is that the Westboro Baptist Church is gonna picket Falwell's funeral. Yes, the "God Hates Fags/America/Sweden/Everyone" folks.
Among other things, it seems his theology was too much "God loves everyone" for these guys. By me Falwell was a hateful bastard, and by you he was a hateful bastard, but by hateful bastards, he was no hateful bastard, it seems.
Folks, you can't make this stuff up.

Alon Levy said...

Well, she did manage to alienate someone who had actually liked reading her (Bruce Godfrey, of Take Back the Blog fame) with that post. Oh well.

belledame222 said...

tqc: yeah, it actually doesn't surprise me: at this point they're basically "God Hates Everyone In The Entire World Except Us." not an exaggeration. God hates dead U.S. soldiers...God hates Princess Diana...God hates America...God hates dead firefighters at the World Trade Center...

it's gotta be a death wish at some level. I wonder why no one's obliged them?

belledame222 said...

okay. i went. i skimmed. bored now.

just note in passing:

i thought she banned luckynkl? guess not anymore.

belledame222 said...

what kind of real life stuff? what is this "real life" of which you speak? do you have a link?

Dan L-K said...

it's gotta be a death wish at some level. I wonder why no one's obliged them?

It all makes sense now! They're Circumcellions!

(Via the holy synchronicity of Making Light, natch.)

belledame222 said...

wo! 4th-century trolls!

how sad would it be to be "an embarassment to the heretical community?"

oh, wait.

That Queer Chick said...

Geez, it must be National Heresy Day or something. First the Arminians, now this.

(Sorry to butt in on the convo.)

belledame222 said...

not at all, please join in. you've posted here before, right? if not: welcome!

belledame222 said...

Arminians?

Tom Nolan said...

Oh, and this has been going on since the afternoon, and Twisty has intervened fairly late in the thread, and I'm apparently still not banned.- Mandos

No, I just checked, your head's off and is even now being waved as a bloody trophy before baying crowds of radfem sans-culottes.

Oh, well. Had to happen sometime. I'm frankly amazed it took so long.

Twisty also mentions that you might be wanting to spend more time on ‘I Love My Corny BDSM Lifestyle’ blogs. By which she probably means this one. The poor, poor woman.

belledame222 said...

hey Tom, how goeth it?

speaking of bannings, is NYMOM still spreading her joy on fc?

belledame222 said...

"radfem sans-culottes"

that's "sans-capris," thank you very much.

Tom Nolan said...

It's going pretty good, thanks, Belle. I seem to be on course academically - though the good results have come at the cost of regular commenting anywhere. But I still read you assiduously, never fear. As the Stasi interrogator said in Das Leben der anderen "ich bin dein Publikum".

Oh, and they found a great solution for the infestation over at FCB - every time somebody types "gender neutral" the comment gets automatically transferred to a sort of quarantine thread.

belledame222 said...

o yeah, i did actually catch the end of it. she seemed to be that weird admixture of pleased at the attention and miffed because she knows the joke's on her, she's just not quite sure how.

belledame222 said...

by the way, some of us -have- recently started a (Corny Lifestyle) BDSM/fem blog; so far so dormant, but I'll keep y'all posted. i need to have a bit more motivation to actually, like, write something.

Tom Nolan said...

she seemed to be that weird admixture of pleased at the attention and miffed because she knows the joke's on her, she's just not quite sure how - BD

Yes bless, eh? I must admit that I have a sort of soft-spot for her (as I do for Julie, who resembles her in many ways). She's the blogosphere's Flying Dutchman, evicted from every haven not because she's particularly badly behaved, but because her comments are so numerous and so monotonous. Whose heart wouldn't sink, on visiting a blog, to see her flagged as the last commenter on virtually every live thread? So she gets banned from every blog she tries to settle in. And yet she means well, I'm sure, and she can, like an apple-crumble, be quite sweet under the crusty surface. Daran, at least, must have thought so, as the custom-made solution he found for her must have taken a deal of time to organize.

belledame222 said...

well, everyone means well; the question is, do they mean well to -you-...

who's Julie?

Tom Nolan said...

Julie, Herder of Cats - the male to female transsexual who dreams of the day when she will be accepted by Heart, Luckykncklhd and the gang, and with whom I had the longest, most tedious debate in internet history over at Alas. Like NYMOM, she reads everything with an eye to contradiction and never really takes on board what her interlocutors are actually saying, and (another point in common) she has no shame with regards to blatant self-contradiction and strategic memory loss. But a sweetie nonetheless.

As for meaning well and to whom - good point. But there are some bloggers and commenters who don't mean well to anybody but themselves. They might claim to support one side or the other in a dispute, but what they really want is the pleasure of stirring up the red ants against the black ants and of watching the ensuing fight to the death with a smile of thin condescension on their withered lips.

belledame222 said...

ohhh, right, that one. some real class issues, among other things, as i recall.

belledame222 said...

i dunno, NYMOM's militant cluelessness as well as her momomania mightn't be enough alone, but she's lucid enough to know she's trolling, and for that, i don't have a lot of tolerance.

belledame222 said...

...well, that was interesting: someone apparently found my place via a search for "luckynkl parthenogenesis."

i guess that would explain certain things...

That Queer Chick said...

So to hijack the conversation for a sec (actually back to what it was about in the first place, but, you know)...
One of the grievances the WBC says it has with Falwell is that he started out as a Calvinist, but became an Arminian. I read about it on Wikipedia, and I know I've read about it in print encyclopedias, and history books, and even novels, but this stuff never seems to stick to my poor brain.
I'm gonna ask the boyfriend, who actually has some Christian theological background, to tell me what the BFD is.

Alon Levy said...

I'm guessing the BFD is that the WBC, like all other organizations on the true fringe, is looking for excuses to hate its own side's leaders. The first enemy of every radical is always the moderate, preferably on his own side; and for organizations as extreme as the WBC, Falwell is a perfect example of a moderate.

Mandos said...

BD: I generally avoid explicitly talking about Mandos' meat-creature-slave's life. My real life involves lots of delicious hair-splitting and angels-dancing-on-pins.

But presently it involves the risk of having to move.

Mandos said...

Oh, and, I love the finishing touch of calling me a "good sport". She's, like, a genius, seriously. She telegraphs all sorts of things which a good proportion of her readership simply do not seem to get!

I mean, this is even better:
http://blog.iblamethepatriarchy.com/2007/05/16/and-now-the-conclusion/#comment-62754

Oh, man.

I wonder how long it's going to take her to get bored of the yes-critters and start trolling her own blog again.

belledame222 said...

I'm bored already!

belledame222 said...

...having said that, actually, I think the essence of that comment would be rather nice, if followed through upon; it's what some of us have been saying (okay, screaming) for months now.

but yeah, mandos, i dunno: don't you ever get tired of this dynamic?

belledame222 said...

I mean, so, what, you're saying that you -like- that about her, that she holds a goodly chunk of her audience in contempt and they never tweak?

Why? Seriously.

Mandos said...

Have you ever heard of a card game called Mao? It's basically like Crazy Eights (assuming you've heard of that game, of course), but with somewhat different interpretations of the cards.

In high school it was one of my favorite games. It's really geeky.

The point of the game, and what made it different from other card games, is that you were not allowed to explain the rules, to anyone. It was best played with two experienced players, and two inexperienced players. The inexperienced players would be penalized in the game by the dealer whenever they broke the rules, but what they had done wrong would never be explained to them.

Eventually, they might figure it out. However, every time a hand ends, the winner of the hand gets to make up a new rule, which, of course, s/he can't tell anyone else, except by penalizing them.

Mandos said...

The funniest part of this whole episode was the number of people who stumbled on the correct answer, only to dismiss it in an unintentionally ironic but hilarious manner.

There is no spoon, there is no spoon, there is no spoon...

Mandos said...

So the worst thing to do in Mao, which can get you disqualified, actually, is to reveal the rules, even accidentally.

Alon Levy said...

Now it all makes sense... I thought that when the people who tried convincing me to play Mao wouldn't explain the rules to me, they were just trying to make me agree to play first before hearing the rules.

Anyway, what's the correct answer you speak of?

tom nolan said...

I think Mandos is overestimating Twisty's subtlety and underestimating his own astonishing powers of insinuation. There was that time he managed to infiltrate "Women's Space" and survived there unscathed for hours. Really, this guy should be working for the SIS.

And his recent ejection has raised more laughs than even he guesses - Heart posted to IBTP to bond with Twisty over his humiliation. If you can you have unilateral bonding, that is ("urghh, geddoffme geddoffme").

I should be writing an essay. Does it show?

belledame222 said...

the thing is, for some people--and I am not saying TF is one of them--it really isn't a game. And I don't personally care for playing games with people when they have real shit at stake, even when I dislike them intensely.

you know, headfucking gets me hot too, but I prefer the safewords and boundaries to be more clearly delineated, and at minimum to be sure the other person knows it -is- a game. otherwise, you know, it can actually fuck you up rather badly.

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belledame222 said...

and to be honest, mandos, sometimes i don't really want to be part of the Female Mud Wrestlers of Mensa or whatever it is. I'm glad it amuses you, and sometimes it amuses me too, but other times, you know, I just don't find it that entertaining any more, because there are more important things at stake than lightly ironic amusement.

at minimum I am really starting to think I ought to charge for this shit. christ knows I ought to have -something- I'm actually good at reimbursed.