Wednesday, May 16, 2007

o, that's so -sweet.-

Via Renegade, Kyso examines a touching Mother's Day tribute by scary hairdo Vox Day.

We don’t need female doctors. We don’t need female scientists. We don’t need female entrepreneurs. We don’t need female producers of PowerPoint presentations. And we really don’t need female politicians.

While we can argue about whether such luxuries are beneficial or detrimental to society, there is no arguing the empirical evidence which proves that civilization has survived without them before and could easily do so again.

But without mothers, there is no civilization.


"You call this civilization?"

Well. Anyway I think a National Anonymous Sperm Donors Day would be lovely, just lovely, and I for one plan on submitting the request for a line of cards in that vein to Hallmark toot sweet.

38 comments:

Renegade Evolution said...

we don't need vox either. I would say something REALLY rude, but I am feeling civil today. Surprisingly so!

Veronica said...

Well, you know, I've wondered occasionally, "Just what is the root of Ole' Fish Heads problem?" And, now we all know--his Mommy didn't love him. And, with a face like that, who can blame her?

Sassywho said...

but some people really do need someone to wipe their ass until they are 30, c'mon have some compassion folks we are women!

*motherfuckers*

SnowdropExplodes said...

there is no arguing the empirical evidence which proves that civilization has survived without them before and could easily do so again.

I like this logic, could be very interesting to apply it to other areas of life.

Let's see if we can think of some other things without which civilisations survived for thousands of years that we have today...

Cars;

Computers;

Universal suffrage (the Athenian city-state, for example, had very restricted suffrage in its democratic system, very few men, even, were allowed the vote);

Human rights are a fairly new invention, as is the concept of a "war crime";

I wonder how many of these, and many other innovations it's possible to list, the author of the above quotation would advocate doing without...?

belledame222 said...

toothbrushes. the laundromat. air conditioning. restaurants. indoor plumbing. -any- plumbing, really. guns. books. movies. shoes. barbers. disposable razors. hair gel...

Central Content Publisher said...

Vox Day is an idiot who couldn't argue his way out of a parking ticket.

It scares me to imagine how Vox defines civilization, but first, I have to admit I can't recall an absence of failed civilizations that fell because of women performing non-motherly duties. Conversely, many civilizations, who took great pride in limiting the roles women could assume, have failed quite nicely. If one likes to imagine themselves a proponent of liberty (if memory serves, Vox is under this illusion about himself), one can't in good faith make such ludicrous pronouncements. However, I would never accuse Vox of behaving in good faith.

What really unnerves me though, is Vox's idea of what a civilization even is. According to Vox, we're all just an extension of the ancient Greek civilization I suppose: Rome never fell; protestants aren't really any different than catholics; the Nazis are still alive and well; Czars still hold ultimate power in Russia; the inquisition is still on and Venice is still the cultural center of the universe.

Yep, it's just one long unbroken chain of gloriously successful civilization.

What an insufferable moron.

Alon Levy said...

male dominance, agriculture, animal husbandry...

belledame222 said...

"that was no animal, that was my..."

oh, never mind.

Vox Day is an idiot who couldn't argue his way out of a parking ticket.

am now fondly imagining him attempting to do just that, and getting slapped with another three or four fines just for sheer assholery.

anyway, i imagine he'd be one of those who thinks "Rome fell" on account of those decadent Sodomites.

and Sodom fell on account of those decadent Romers.

Central Content Publisher said...

i imagine he'd be one of those who thinks "Rome fell" on account of those decadent Sodomites - belledame22

I thought that's how Rome rose? Bu-dumb tssss.

ballgame said...

Europe is in the process of discovering what a world without mothers is like. It is an ugly picture, a brutal picture.

If he's talking about the parts of Europe where Social Democrats and feminists have had the most influence, that "ugly" "brutal" picture includes longer vacations, generally fewer working hours, a stronger safety net, lower levels of overall violence and far lower murder rates than the U.S. of A. ... 'ugly and brutal' indeed.

With very little adaptation, that article could easily have been a fascist propaganda speech from the 1930s.

Alon Levy said...

Actually, the US has really low crime rates in every category except murder. They only look high because Americans are a lot likelier to report crime than Europeans.

But the whole bit about how working women are the end of civilization is touching, given that the most working mother-friendly countries in Europe, Norway and Sweden, also have some of the highest fertility rates in the region. In the first world, the lowest fertility rates are in the more sexist regions of southern Europe and East Asia.

Alon Levy said...

Speaking of civilization, it would be interesting to consider a sci-fi scenario in which humans are exclusively female and breed artificially...

belledame222 said...

Joanna Russ writes about that, among others.

ballgame said...

Actually, the US has really low crime rates in every category except murder. They only look high because Americans are a lot likelier to report crime than Europeans.

Alon, I would be most surprised if the parts of Europe where the Social Democrats (by whatever name) held the most sway — Britain, France, Germany, Sweden — had a higher overall crime rate than the U.S., which has the highest incarceration rate of any industrialized nation on the planet.

Forgive me if I don't take your word on this. If you have a citation, I'll read it though. I'm extremely skeptical but not closed-minded.

Alon Levy said...

I don't know about France, and Germany has less reported crime than the US (but I don't know of any survey). In England and Wales, the British Crime Survey puts the number of crimes per year at 10 million of which 2.5 are violent; the comparable US figures are 23 and 5 respectively, on a population five times the size of Britain's. In Sweden, the reported sexual assault rate is higher than the US survey rate, but I don't have a link right now.

Unsane said...

It's a luxury to eat reasonable food. Please reduce his rations to the basic crap.

belledame222 said...

heh, ccp, he answered you.

Anonymous said...

Please stop writing about him. He's nothing more than an articulate troll, and any reference he finds to himself online just inflates his already epic sense of self-love. He thinks that when people are laughing at him, it's because they're alarmed by his views (alarmed because they're true!); he's so dense that he doesn't realise that they're just laughing at him because he's an idiot.

belledame222 said...

yeh, I'm getting that. I mean, I didn't even link to the dude directly, just mentioned pals' notes-in-passing as it were; apparently he does searches on his own name for precisely this sort of thing, though. o well. Jehovah! Jehovah! Jehovah!...

belledame222 said...

...and i managed to go for such a long time without getting on the radar of any of the right-wingers, too. o well, i did say i wanted a change...

Equus Pallidus said...

Vox Day is an idiot who couldn't argue his way out of a parking ticket.

Vox doesn't Park, he is an uploaded internet superintelligence consisting of ones and zeros, that spontatenously generated itself by the internet evolutionary process.

belledame222 said...

You're saying he's a virus? That would explain a lot...

Anonymous said...

"I have to admit I can't recall an absence of failed civilizations that fell because of women performing non-motherly duties."

The Amazons

UneFemmePlusCourageuse said...

"anyway, i imagine he'd be one of those who thinks "Rome fell" on account of those decadent Sodomites.

and Sodom fell on account of those decadent Romers."

It's always sort of annoyed me how people call gay sex 'sodomy' in a reference to the Biblical cities of Sodom and Gomorrah, with the obvious implication that because God decided to destroy those cities, then gay people are automatically 'sinful'-- when really, the 'gay sex' that was going to occur in Sodom was the raping of two men, not consensual sex between two men. So really, 'sodomy' should be a euphamism for rape, rather than gay sex, and if it were, then I would have no problem with its constant usage in reference to sinfulness.

Equus Pallidus said...

You're saying he's a virus? That would explain a lot...

Yes, but not just an ordinary virus, but a super intelligence specifically targeted to Feminists, atheits and general baffoonery.

I have seen the things he can do, beware of the infection. Once you are infected there is no cure.

The only way to stay clean is to never mention his name, if you fall in the above categories.

The infected spread the virus, and I am afraid it may be too late for you.

Bill Gates is working on a fix but don't hold your breath.

My suggestions are, Don't type, close your blog and start a new one under another name. And for God's sake don't tell anyone.

I must go now quickly, I hear him coming.

ballgame said...

Alon: thanks for the links. I'm familiar with the U.S. stats, but I'm trying to wrap my head around the British report, which comes across as a truly bizarre and internally inconsistent document on first review. One table says that violent crime has decreased significantly since 1995 (which is extremely plausible, given that all Western industrial societies are 'greying' and violent crimes tend to be committed by youths), while another table indicates that there has been a veritable explosion in violent crime during that same period of nearly 400% ... and a truly staggering increase in violent crime of 1000% since 1970. It's difficult to trust the substance of a document that appears to be so blatantly at odds with itself.

While I remain skeptical that Britain is a less murderous but otherwise more violent society than the U.S., I can see why one could conclude otherwise and I'll continue reading your cites to see to what extent they do or don't contain 'apples to apples' statistics. Thanks.

belledame222 said...

ufpc: actually, there are those who consider the sin of Sodom inhospitality (that's no way to treat a -guest-). of course, you consider that apparently it would've been totally okay if the rampaging neighbors had accepted the offer of his daughters instead of his male guests...

but y'know, to the homophobe, "marauding degenerates who just want to break off a piece of innocent straight-boy ass" are pretty much synonymous with "gay" anyway, so.

arrogantworm said...

of course, you consider that apparently it would've been totally okay if the rampaging neighbors had accepted the offer of his daughters instead of his male guests...

But no one ever mentions that part, once they hear Sodom the mind is all a-frenzy. Besides, if it was acknowleged then there'd have to be admittance that some parts of the bible dealt with subordination of women, among others, can't have that. Lot should've offered himself to the crowd instead of others. Completely self-serving, not much of a role model was Lot.

Anonymous said...
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Anonymous said...

Oh come on! My last post was deliberately provocative, but it was also an accurate reflection of the sort of commentary you get on blogs like his! Why the removal?

Anonymous said...

I'm sad now.

belledame222 said...

Because if I wanted commentary on blogs like his, I'd go -there.- This is -here-. and because I'm a cruel whimsical fuck.

Also, you need to pick a pseud.

anomen said...

Your explanation is more than acceptable - I love cruelty, whimsy and fuck! I will also try to avoid the deliberate baiting of my previous post, but... it's... so... hard...

belledame222 said...

o no, we -love- deliberate trolling around here. there's nothing more enticing than someone who's deliberately volunteered to be a human pinata. unless it's boring. which it usually is, pretty quickly.

Anonymous said...

Of course, his statement is approximately as valid if you substitute "fathers" and "male doctors," etc., as it is the way he's written it. You can exclude an entire sex from pretty much any sphere of life other than reproduction, and your world will be poorer for it, but you'll still survive.

Lynn Gazis-Sax

belledame222 said...

hey, Lynn!

yes but that wouldn't be -civilization-, it'd be a -monstrous regiment.-

and also rily rilly scary, since the latter is actually more feasible than the former: we can't survive as a species without someone to actually gestate & bear the progeny, but we could probably manage a goodly while with frozen spermz in test tubes. no men required!

which is, I suspect, exactly what these sad sacks are so petrified of ("National Anonymous Sperm Donor Day," indeed). because at some level they must suspect that actually, -they have no particular redeeming qualities.- Better emphasize how important their -manliness- is, along with other Manifest Destiny privileges; if they had to depend on their actual qualifications (for being doctors, lawyers, science fiction writers koff koff) they'd really be shit out of luck.

grendelkhan said...
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belledame222 said...

hey, grendelkahn, I'm really sorry about that, I just didn't want the link to his spot, it was just winding down and it'd be like a direct pipeline of trolls. and yes, I saw it. responded there, even. anyway, reposting your response sans link:

"o, in case no one's dipped their head in the bucket of shellac which is the Vox Day Experience in the last few days, Vox has responded by saying that while he likes cars and computers, he could do without universal suffrage (he has some idea that it leads to a lack of accountability--your guess is as good as mine on that one), the concept of human rights or the concept of war crimes.

Yeah, he's pretty much beyond parody."

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normally i wouldn't do that, but i figured given that he already trolled his way from just the -name-...and I really am trying to quit.