Saturday, August 12, 2006

"Some of my best friends are handy justifications for my political crusade!"

This here is a message to all of the political conservatives who think Semites are just fine and dandy, as long as they follow the Old Testament; think Israel can do no wrong, ever; share all their little hidebound prejudices; and are just as rabid about all those Moslem/Ay-rab savages as they are. Oh, and particularly to those who seem to think that they have license to stick the word "kikes" in the mouths of others* and pretend that it's not in fact their own rampant anti-Semitism foaming to the surface:

Gey kakn afn yam.

But then, I suspect, I'm not one of the "good" ones. never have been. probably never will be. oh well.

*From the above-linked:

...well, first there was her original piece o'crap, charmingly entitled:

"Amanda Marcotte 'fucking kikes are just RUINING my election party plans. Not like I hate kikes, really ...'"

which interpretation of this piece:

she apparently gets from the voices transmitted through her fillings.

Then our exchange, which ends in:

... Save for the fact we are, again, looking at yet another person who finds all killing morally equivalent ... which is a moral abomination and only goes to delivering up Israel to annihilation.
This is what I found so particularly infuriating about Amanda's article. It was all about how awful Israel is and not one mention of Hezbollah. It is functionally bigotted.

If you are more than just ethnicly Jewish, you'll recognize

He who is merciful to the cruel, will ultimately be cruel to the merciful.
Posted by: Darleen at August 4, 2006 06:36 AM

Am I reading this correctly? Are you suggesting that you are in a position to tell me what does and doesn't make me Jewish enough? -Who- are you again?

Lady, "just" ethnically Jewish is plenty; it certainly more than justifies my aggravation at your completely gratuitous use of "kikes." Don't try to change the subject. And don't even frigging think of suggesting that my legitimacy as a Jew -or- a moral being is dependent on whether or not I follow Scripture. You are well out of order.
Posted by: belledame222


Rootietoot said...

And what about us political conservatives who, while believing Israel has a right to exist and defend itself, do not necessarily believe they're Perfect? Don't think all ay-rabs are savages either, but alot of the savages seem to be ay-rabs.

Jean said...

Don't think all ay-rabs are savages either, but alot of the savages seem to be ay-rabs.

Holy shit. I don't even know what to say to that.

belledame222 said...

...Yeah. Me neither.

Rootietoot: my blogroll has a number of progressive Moslems and/or people from Over There. They don't want to die and suffer horribly any more than we do; and the vast bulk of Moslems are no more likely to be wacky Al-Qaeda supporters than the vast bulk of Christians are to be wacky Pat Robertson/Operation Rescue supporters.

frankly, most of the rest of the world sees Americans as barbaric savages right now; and while I'm not prepared to write off my countrypeople wholesale, I gotta say, from their perspective, I see their point.

belledame222 said...

and oh yeah: a goodly percentage of the Lebanese, the enemy du jour, are actually Christians.

doesn't much matter when the bomb hits your home.

Rootietoot said...

I suppose sacrcasm translates poorly.

Darleen said...

Ah...our conversation. Hope you don't mind, but I'll post my reply here, too.

"Who am I?

Well, I'm one who understands that Jewish people are unique in that they are a people (ethnic), a nation, a culture, AND a religion ... and that someone who identifies as "Jewish" can be one or all of these things.

And that there are many ethnic Jews who are decidely hostile to both Israel and religious Jews (see Noam Chomsky and Tony Judt).

I used the pejorative "kike" on purpose, not gratuitously, because I am fucking TIRED of functional bigots who get off on the figleafed perfidy of "I don't hate Jews, I just hate Israel".

So why should my opinion on the moral question of Israel v the Hezzi-nazis and their apologists be LESS than Chomsky's or Judt's -- the former a terrorist supporter and the latter who advocates the annhilation of Israel -- just because they can ethnically claim to be Jewish?

I come from a family with a lot of different religious backgrounds - from Jewish to Mormon to Catholic to Protestant. Growing up I was as comfortable at Temple on a Friday, Mass on Saturday as I was at Sunday School on Sunday. I'm old enough that I was arguing with and educating a lot of my "born-again" friends on what Judaism is/is not and that they were being total assholes, no matter their motivation, when they were trying to proselytize my Jewish friends.

So, lady, please don't claim any special reason to dismiss me because you're Jewish and I'm not. I'm not changing any subject here. St. Amanda's article was functionally anti-semitic. Sorry my "shorter Amanda" schtick gave you cover to avoid commenting on that.

And even non-Jewish me knows Midrash is not Scripture."

belledame222 said...

Let me type this really slowly and clearly for you:




And the word "kike" came from -your- fingers and -your- feverish little brain. I don't know anyone who talks or thinks like this. Certainly not Amanda. Which, by the way, your fixation on her? Kind of creepy.

piny said...

I used the pejorative "kike" on purpose, not gratuitously, because I am fucking TIRED of functional bigots who get off on the figleafed perfidy of "I don't hate Jews, I just hate Israel".

I hear you! I feel the same way about black clergymen who dismiss gay marriage as perverse at best and abominable at worst. That's why I pepper my criticism of them with every racial slur I can think of. I mean, I am white, and their race is completely fucking irrelevant to the issue at hand--but hey: all I really want to do is insult them.

belledame222 said...

well, hey, who doesn't, really?

but piny: it's not YOU who wants to insult...them; it's...those Other People. You know. get it, um, straight.

IrrationalPoint said...

Excellent post, Belle. I posted something along similar lines a while back.